I didn't see there was, it was dark, but there was no blood pooling. There was, you know, no obvious wounds.

It's probably likely that this shooter was being mentally delayed.

It was just trying to impress the guy that told him, here's a gun, shoot this guy.

Obviously, he's committed murder. He asked me how to count him bull.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worc case. This is your host, Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds.

And with me today is my wonderful ghost.

Oh, sarcasm. I said sarcasm. Hi, everybody. It's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor. How are you, Jim?

Francie, I don't think I could be better. Wow, that is something.

Isn't it? Well, we're here again with one of our favorite guests and one of the most interesting people in law enforcement.

Yes. You don't often get people who have this diverse career while they're still in law enforcement.

Hi, I'm Jeremy Rowe.

Jeremy has had not only a distinguished career in law enforcement, but also in Hollywood.

Tell us some of the titles that you've worked on.

Sure. I was on a film called The Proud of You when I was 13.

That was a waste back. But a couple shows Chicago cold when I was out in Pire, Chicago PD, Chicago Fire.

You noticed a lot of Chicago there. I hear Chicago a lot, Jim.

Could that have something to do with where you worked as a cop?

Yes, yes, out in the South, South of Chicago, right there. It's all the same.

You know, it's all the same and pretty much I've done just about every Chicago show and every production that's come to Chicago in different cities.

And that's where the passion is.

Well, what about Chicago justice? That was the one show I was so excited because outside law and order, they don't have prosecutors featured very often.

Jim, it's because people in Hollywood like Jim Clemente, favorite agents and cops over prosecutors.

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