729 Allan Lavigne

Podcast UFO

Host: Martin Willis

Astronomy, Society & Culture, Science

4.4 • 567 Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Longtime UFO investigator Allan Lavigne joins Martin Willis for a deep-dive into the “boots-on-the-ground” era of UFO research—when cases were tracked by phone calls, paper files, and relentless field work. Allan recounts his time with APRO (Aerial Phenomena Research Organization), the pioneering civilian group founded by Jim and Coral Lorenzen, and explains how APRO’s investigations accelerated after Project Blue Book ended. Along the way, he shares what it was like working some of the most talked-about cases of the 1970s and beyond—abductions, crash-retrieval lore, and major sightings that still divide researchers today. Allan also provides a rare first-person account of being the first investigator to interview Travis Walton, why he considers the case legitimate, and what details from that original interview still matter. From there, the conversation shifts into controversial territory: the Billy Meier saga (and how APRO evaluated evidence in the pre-digital age), the Phoenix Lights, the “alien autopsy” film from the perspective of a professional effects artist and law-enforcement veteran, and what he considers credible versus clearly fabricated.

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0:00.0	They keep telling you that the Jeffrey Epstein story is finished, that it was investigated,
0:04.8	that it was handled.
0:06.1	But here's the part that they never explain, why the charges were so narrow, when the conduct
0:11.4	was so broad.
0:13.1	How does a man with multiple properties, private aircraft, international travel, and a documented
0:18.2	pipeline of victims get treated like a lone offender.
0:22.1	Why were logistics treated as background noise instead of evidence?
0:26.0	Why were facilitators reduced to footnotes instead of defendants?
0:29.8	Well, that's where we come in.
0:31.7	The Epstein Chronicles exists because those questions were never answered.
0:36.3	This podcast breaks down what the public record actually shows,
0:40.1	the deals that capped exposure, the decisions at limited scope,
0:43.5	and the moments where prosecutors chose restraint overreach.
0:46.9	If you ever wondered why this case feels unfinished,
0:49.7	why accountability stopped at the perimeter,
0:51.5	or why so many names remain officially invisible,
0:54.5	you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Epstein Chronicles.
1:15.3	Hello and welcome to the show.
1:16.3	I'm Martin Willisher host.
1:19.8	We have a great guest this evening, a longtime UFO researcher.
1:22.5	His name is Alan Levine.
1:29.2	And he was actually the first person to interview Travis Walton even before the police.
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