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The shoes that these girls had turns out, you know, my son was really young at the time, had the same shoes.

And so when I'd come home and I'd see the shoes, the visions go back to seeing those at the scene.

That impact, you know, this is where the homicide investigators, CSI's, death investigators, cold case investigators,

what we're seeing doing the work, it doesn't stop, you know, as soon as we punch out, it's with us all the time.

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Okay folks, no kids in the car for this one.

Today's show is really something. I'm talking with Paul Holes, who solves cold case homicides and chases serial killers, no joke.

Lots of graphic stuff in this one, but also just a friggin' fascinating inside look at a complex character who does better at decoding a crime scene, then he does decoding his own emotions in personal life.

The murders and cases we'll discuss are gruesome nightmare fuel, absolutely.

But the good news is that people like Paul are tirelessly chasing these psychopaths for years until they are behind bars.

The book will make your skin crawl, the episode is eye-opening, I really enjoyed it. I think you will as well, but again, for real.

There are young folks with this one unless you want to be up at two o'clock in the morning telling them there's nobody outside the window.

Now here we go, with Paul Holes.

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