Hey, this is John. A standard warning for people who are in the car with their kids. There's some swearing in this episode.

Hello and welcome. My name is John August.

Hmm. Hmm. My name is Craig Mason.

And you'll listen to script notes, episode 721, a podcast about screenwriting and things that are interesting to screenwriters.

So, let's say you have finished writing that script that only you could write, and perhaps

only you could direct. But how do you learn how to direct? Today on the show, we'll talk with

the writer, director, and star of the much acclaimed film, Sorry Baby, about their journey

behind the lens, which landed them best directorial debut by the National Board of Review

and a lot of other awards attention.

Welcome to script notes, Ava Victor.

Oh, thank you for having me.

You know what?

You guys have gotten me through

some interesting, difficult days,

and I really, your voices are very comforting to me.

So it's interesting to see your faces

at totally attribute faces to voices and it's a very surreal moment so thank you for this

I'm excited to be here it's great having you and I'm sorry if we are disturbing you if there if

the cognitive dissonance is freaking you out yeah exactly thank exactly. Thank you for saying that, yeah. Yeah, I want you to feel okay about this, but you might not. And I get that. I remember the first time when I was a kid, I would listen to Howard Stern on the radio. I had no idea what Howard Stern looked like. And then they started putting up ads for Howard Stern, like, you like, around like the subways and stuff. And I was like, what? What? That's not.

That's like a particularly surprising one. Yeah, that was really shocking. Well,

Ava, I have a little bit of like, okay, you were comforting me too, because even though I don't spend a lot of time

being cool and looking at things that other people are looking at, for some reason, back when you

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