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Jell and Bruce have always kept their word to me. They've been honest. I've heard they've been nominated for an Oscar.

I hope they win. I really do. It has caused the world to come together as one to fight for justice and that I'm thankful for.

He was telling me that I had to let go and go home with my life and me telling him that I was as much in that ditch as my baby was and not to tell me how to feel.

I fought with him a lot. I was very angry at him and I still feel anger towards him for not coming and letting me know that my son was missing.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler and criminal minds writer and producer.

With me today is Laura Richards, former New Scotland Yard, advocate author and founder and director of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

And I am Lisa Zambetti. I am the casting director for Criminal Minds where Jim Clemente is my colleague and I have a real interest in Real Crime and the minds that solve those crimes.

Today we're going to be continuing our discussion on the case known as the West Memphis 3 but we call it the Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills.

They're the murders of the 3 8-year-old boys Christopher Buyers, Michael Moore and Stevie Branch.

Right. Most of the attention on this case actually has been focused on suspects and people they believed committed this crime.

But we're continuing our discussion based on what actually happened at the crime scene. What kind of crime this was?

What does the evidence tell us in terms of who committed this crime?

Once we figure out the why and the how that will lead us to the who.

And that's a really key part to this case. I think there's been so much in the narrative that has been inaccurate and misinformation, disinformation about what really happened.

So it's important for us to take it right back. It's like peeling an onion, going right back to the crime scene and looking at what did happen, what did not happen and going from the facts and the evidence that were to hand, rather than what's been put out in the public domain, that really did transform this case.

But that had serious repercussions for the type of person or persons who committed this crime.

So should we just quickly remind our listeners just where we got to in terms of our first podcast we talked about the injuries that were sustained in this particular case.

The crime scene, the geography. And we're going to talk a little bit more about the detail of that and what it tells us about the type of person or persons who committed the crime.

So some of the significant things around the geography which we just touched upon was when you hear about this case and you understand it's in these woods, I actually thought this was a very isolated area.

But actually when you had the helicopter view of it, there was a triangulation that there was a truck stop, a main service road.

So it would be very easy to get into these woods, but actually for me, Jim, and I think this is something that we both agreed with, the actual area where the boys were found was quite secluded and isolated, which really did point local knowledge.

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