Welcome back to the Diet Dr. Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Brett Scher. Today I'm joined by Nicolet Han

Nyman. Now, if you haven't heard of Nicolet, you probably should because she's got a pretty

fantastic story that she started off her life as a vegetarian, believing the vegetarian

propaganda, as she calls it, and as many people call it,

that no beef is good beef. And then over the course of her life, she became an environmental

lawyer as the senior attorney for the Waterkeeper Alliance under Robert Kennedy Jr., where she

was exposed to all of sort of the evils of the industrial meat production chain

and the pollution.

And it was her job to sort of litigate this.

But then as part of that process, she was also introduced to the concept of outdoor, grass-fed,

environmentally friendly ranching.

And so through that transition now, she has become a defender of that type of ranching,

that there is a better way to produce beef. And she's an author now of Righteous Pork Chop and Defending

Beef, which now has an updated edition coming out in July. So she's a rancher, a lawyer,

an author, an advocate, and someone who does a great job of taking the facts, taking the

science and cutting through the sound bites and a lot of times the incorrect assumptions. And so we

talk about some of those, but boy, we kind of ran out of time and we didn't even have time

to discuss some of the other issues I wanted to bring up, like about water

usage and about land usage for cattle and how most of the land is marginalized land that can't be

used for other crops, and how the water usage is mostly green water, you know, rainfall water,

and not the blue irrigated water. And when you compare water usage for the protein and

beef compared to rice or compared to almonds, that it really isn't the evil beef that people say,

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