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🗓️ 23 December 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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In a Christmas crossover event, John and Craig join Meg LeFauve (Inside Out) and Lorien McKenna (Tab Time) on their podcast, The Screenwriting Life.
We talk about why rigid structure can miss the point, how theme emerges from character, what fear and denial really look like on the page, and how writers can survive rejection without letting it define them.
In our bonus segment for premium members, John breaks Drew's heart with his lovely memories of Rob & Michele Reiner.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome. My name is John August, and you're listening to Episode 717 of Script Notes. |
| 0:07.2 | It's a podcast about screenwriting and things that are interesting to screenwriters. |
| 0:11.3 | So while this is, in fact, episode 717 of Script Notes, it's also episode 277 of The Screenwriting Life, |
| 0:17.7 | a fantastic podcast hosted by Megalofo and Lorraine McKenna, where they also talk on a weekly basis about screenwriting life, a fantastic podcast hosted by Meglifov and Lorraine McKenna, where they also talk on a |
| 0:22.7 | weekly basis about screenwriting. Craig and I went there to talk about the scripted on its book, which is |
| 0:26.8 | out there in the world. They'd read it, they loved it, but we also had a good, deep conversation about |
| 0:31.5 | lots of other things related to writing and the craft and the process. It was a really good |
| 0:36.6 | conversation, a great chance to talk with other pros about this business that we all love. If you don't know them, Megalphove is the co-writer of the Inside Out movies, as well as the Good Dinosaur and Captain Marvel. Lauren McKenna is a writer on shows like Curious George and a former story manager for Pixar. If you enjoy this episode, give them a follow. Let's Scwriting life. We'll put a link in the show notes. It's a great show for anybody who listens to our show to also listen to. One of the things I really appreciate about their show is that they talk every week. They open up with a segment where they talk about the writing they did that week and where their successes and failures were and their challenges. That was just great. So take listen to this |
| 1:11.8 | episode and then if you like them, give them a follow as well. So most of the episode is that. And then |
| 1:17.0 | we'll be back at the end for some boilerplate, some follow-up. And in our bonus, if we're |
| 1:21.6 | for premium members, we're going to talk about the career, the life of Rob Reiner. I knew him. I knew |
| 1:26.6 | his wife, Michelle. I knew way too much about sort of the places where this tragedy happened. |
| 1:32.7 | But I also want to celebrate sort of the incredible things he was able to do |
| 1:36.2 | and just share some personal reflections on Rob Reiner. |
| 1:39.5 | So enjoy this episode and we'll see you here at the end as we wrap stuff up. Thanks. |
| 1:48.6 | Hey everyone, welcome back to the screenwriting life. I'm Meg Lofov. And I'm Lori Ann McKenna. |
| 1:53.5 | Today we have a truly special show. We are talking to John August and Craig Mason, the duo behind the much-love script notes podcast, which has been |
| 2:01.8 | running for 14 years. John August is a screenwriter whose credits include Aladdin, Big Fish, Charlie |
| 2:07.5 | and the Chocolate Factory, corpse bride, Frankenweeney, and the first two Charlie's Angels movies. |
| 2:12.4 | In addition to his work in film, John wrote the Arlo Finch Middle Grade Novel trilogy and earned a |
| 2:17.4 | BAFTA nomination for his |
| 2:18.6 | script of the Broadway musical Big Fish. Through his company, quote unquote apps, John makes utilities |
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