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715: How MAGA Rewired Evangelical Morality with Peter Wehner

The Holy Post

Phil Vischer

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.54.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2026

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

We have a roundup of extravagant Easter celebrations, including helicopter egg drops, holy week drone shows, and skydiving bunnies. But what do these spectacles really achieve, and what do they communicate about the way of Jesus? Bible sales are breaking records. Is Donald Trump the reason? Conservative writer Peter Wehner, who worked for three Republican administrations, is back to explain how MAGA has rewired evangelical morality and what pastors should do about it. Also this week, the contrasting Easter messages of the Pope and the President.

 

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0:00 - Show Starts

 

3:43 - Theme Song

 

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5:48 - Candy Day

 

8:37 - Pope and President Easter Messages

 

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25:12 - Easter Spectacles

 

32:11- Was the Resurrection "Spectacle?"

 

40:32 - Bible Sales Double

 

50:48 - Interview

 

54:35 - Where MAGA Came From

 

1:05:18 - Will MAGA Burn Out?

 

1:16:36 - Pastors in Political Controversy

 

1:24:42 - End Credits

 

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Easter Drones:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/04/churches-try-drones-and-skydiving-bunnies-for-easter-outreach/

 

Luxury Bibles:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/05/us/luxury-bibles.html

 

Other Resources:

How Trump Killed Conservatism by Peter Wehner:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-maga-conservatism/686501/

 

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Holy Post. Today we have a round-up of extravagant Easter celebrations,

0:05.0

including helicopter egg drops, resurrection drone shows, and skydiving bunnies. But what do these

0:10.6

spectacles really achieve and what do they communicate about the way of Jesus? Then Bible sales

0:15.5

are breaking records. Is Donald Trump the reason? And conservative writer Peter Wainer, who

0:20.5

worked for three Republican administrations,

0:22.6

is back to explain how MAGA has rewired evangelical morality and what pastors can do about it.

0:29.0

Also this week, the contrasting Easter messages of the Pope and the president.

0:33.6

If you like what we're doing here at Holy Post Media and you want to support the growth

0:37.3

of faithful pro-neighbor Christian content,

0:39.8

then the best way to do that is by becoming a Holy Post Plus member.

0:43.7

And beyond supporting our work, you'll also get access to the very best content we produce,

0:48.1

including shows like Getting Schooled by Caitlin Chess.

0:51.0

This week's episode has Caitlin debunking a bunch of popular myths about Easter.

0:55.8

And our newest show on Holy Post Plus is called Advice, where Holy Post Media contributors

1:00.7

offer advice to listeners facing real-life problems. Recently, Malcolm Foley talked about how to respond

1:06.5

to people asking for money on the street, and Esau advised a parent whose daughter is being left out

1:11.7

by classmates. To get those shows and a whole lot more, head over to holypost.com and sign up for

1:17.4

Holy Post Plus today. And thanks to everyone who's already joined our community to support our work.

1:23.0

Here is episode 715.

1:25.6

Hey there, welcome back to the Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Fisher. Once again, back with you is Sky Jitani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. Hi. And Caitlin Chess, hi, Caitlin. Hi, Phil. Hi, you're sporting a really big pink water bottle. I'm ill. Yeah. Me and Sky both are carriers. You have a cold still too. Yeah, I'm on the mend. I'm probably 85% better, but I can get stuck at 85%. For a while. Yeah. For like weeks. And I don't like it. I don't like it. What would you say you're, what percent are you at, Caitlin? I was at like 25 percent for like multiple days and I thought, oh, my body is effectively fighting this off. Awesome. And then Easter morning I woke up and I was like, oh, no, this is really bad. I think yesterday was the peak. I think I'm probably like 5% better today. But we're not, we're not really fully on the up and up. I was using, I was using

2:18.7

my metrics differently than you. I said, well, you come up and then you come, well, yeah, I guess you did. Yeah, yeah, you go down. I was, you're at 100%. 25% means completely healthy. Okay, so I was at 75. You're at 75.

2:32.1

Okay.

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