713 - The Disappointment of COP28
Public Health On Call
The Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
4.6 • 644 Ratings
🗓️ 29 January 2024
⏱️ 15 minutes
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More than 85,000 participants attended the 28th Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change in Dubai, better known COP28, which ended in December. The big news: a call to governments to speed the transition away from fossil fuels. Susan Joy Hassol, author and climate change communicator, tells Stephanie Desmon that the final agreement is a hollow disappointment misaligned with the urgency of the climate crisis. They discuss the "minefield" of the growing climate emergency and what global leaders should be doing to put meaningful action behind commitments to addressing it.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Public Health On Call, a podcast from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, |
| 0:05.9 | where we bring evidence, experience, and perspective to make sense of today's leading health challenges. |
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| 0:31.8 | This is Lindsay Smith Rogers. |
| 0:34.1 | Today we talk climate change, notably the news out of December's global COP28 meeting. |
| 0:40.5 | Susan Joy Hassel, a well-known climate change communicator, tells Stephanie Desmond that while some have |
| 0:46.5 | called the agreement and its discussions of fossil fuels a victory in and of itself, little progress |
| 0:52.3 | can be made until fossil fuels are fully phased out. |
| 0:56.3 | Let's listen. |
| 0:58.6 | Susan Joy Hassel, thanks so much for joining me. |
| 1:01.7 | Glad to be with you. |
| 1:03.3 | I brought you here today because I really want to talk to you about the aftermath of COP28. |
| 1:09.9 | So I guess we can start with, please explain to my listeners who may not remember what COP28 is. |
| 1:15.7 | Yeah, so a COP, conference of the parties, to the framework convention on climate change. |
| 1:20.8 | This is the international agreement that people have probably heard of involving all the world's countries. |
| 1:26.1 | They may have heard of the Paris Agreement because |
| 1:27.9 | there was a big agreement made at the Paris COP conference of the parties. So this is the 28th one |
| 1:33.7 | of those. So I've seen some headlines coming out, the most recent one, which was in December |
| 1:40.1 | in Doha. And there is some language I understand that says we will transition away from fossil fuels. |
| 1:50.1 | Some people are saying that's a big victory. |
| 1:52.1 | Some people are saying it's not what it cracked up to be. |
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