This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altiger Show.

Today on the James Altiger Show, guess who is the richest family in the United States

worth over a trillion dollars and whatever your guess is, it's probably not who you think.

This also, all the many ways, the rich and wealthy, hide their money, whether they're

new rich, whether they're foreign corrupt rich and they're trying to get their money into

this country, or whether they're dynastic rich, meaning generational wealth.

So I talked to the heir of the Oscar Meyer fortune.

Remember, Oscar Meyer Weinerz, the Hattogs, four generations later, Chuck Collins inherited

some money and essentially gave it all away.

But in the process, he found all the ways in which the rich hide their money and he describes

it in detail to me.

Let me just ask you, I'll start off.

You wrote this book, The Wealth Horders, How Billionaires Pay Millions, The Hyatt Trillions,

and I was amazed at all the different techniques.

I've in a small way experienced a little bit of this, but no other people have experienced

it quite a bit.

Let me start off by asking, and you mentioned this in the book, but when you first heard

that you were going to inherit, you probably always knew you were going to inherit money.

When you first heard how much, what was your reaction?

I think I was a little bit shocked, actually, wasn't anticipating anything.

I thought, well, my parents are affluent, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything to

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