713: Is "Christian Nationalism" Overused? plus Amar Peterman
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
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🗓️ 25 March 2026
⏱️ 87 minutes
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Summary
A recent article in The Atlantic argues that we should stop using the label "Christian nationalism" to criticize the religious right because both conservatives and progressives throughout American history have been motivated by Christian faith. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss what the article gets right and why we need to keep talking about the danger of Christian nationalism. Phil wonders why Catholic leaders are outspoken in their criticism of the Iran war, while fewer evangelical leaders are speaking up. Kaitlyn talks with Amar Peterman about his book, Becoming Neighbors: The Common Good Made Local. Also this week—the online heresy hunters are angry, and M.I.T. creates injectable satellite mini livers.
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51:15 - Interview
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1:01:06 - The Struggles of Diverse Theologies
1:14:08 - Seeking Good Yet Disagreeing
1:26:02 - End Credits
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Cardinals on War in Iran:
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https://www.theatlantic.com/books/2026/03/how-christian-nationalist-became-epithet/686279/
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. A recent article in the Atlantic argues that we need to stop using |
| 0:04.8 | the label Christian nationalism to criticize the religious right because both conservatives and |
| 0:10.2 | progressives throughout American history have been motivated by Christian faith. Today, Phil |
| 0:14.8 | Caitlin and I discuss the article and what it gets right, but also the need to maybe keep the |
| 0:19.5 | Christian nationalism label as well. |
| 0:22.2 | Then Phil wonders why Catholic leaders are outspoken in their criticism of the war in Iran, |
| 0:27.0 | while far fewer evangelical leaders seem to be speaking up. |
| 0:30.5 | Then Caitlin talks with Amar Peterman about his new book, Becoming Neighbors, The Common Good Made Local. |
| 0:36.7 | Also this week, the online heresy hunters are angry at us, |
| 0:40.4 | and MIT creates injectable satellite mini-livers. |
| 0:44.5 | As always, we have a slate of new content this week |
| 0:46.8 | exclusively for Holy Post Plus subscribers, |
| 0:49.1 | including new episodes of My Hill to Die on, |
| 0:51.4 | The Wedding Edition, where Phil Caitlin and I share our opinions on weddings, |
| 0:55.6 | and boy, does it get spicy with some of the reactions. |
| 0:58.5 | Of course, every Friday, there are new full episodes of the SkyPod. |
| 1:01.4 | The most recent one featured a conversation with me and Mike Erie about the Antichrist and Extraterrestrials. |
| 1:07.5 | And this week, we've got something really big. |
| 1:10.0 | We heard you, dear holy posters. |
| 1:11.6 | You demanded it, so we're doing another episode on Harry Potter Hot Takes. |
| 1:15.6 | But this time, it features only pure blood millennials and Harry Potter fans, producer Mike |
| 1:21.6 | Strelow, Caitlin Chess, and Caitlin's fiance, Noah. |
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