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71. What Do COVID-19 and Cancer Have in Common?

Freakonomics, M.D.

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture, Science

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2023

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

mRNA vaccines helped bring the pandemic under control. Could they also train the immune system to fight cancer?

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0:00.0

We're coming up on the third anniversary of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic next month.

0:10.2

And though the virus is still with us, the mRNA vaccines have protected so many people

0:15.9

from serious illness and death.

0:18.5

As you probably recall, they were the first mRNA vaccines ever approved for national rollout.

0:25.8

For mRNA, most vaccines consisted of part of an inactivated virus, or part of a live

0:32.8

but weakened one.

0:34.5

Those vaccines show the immune system a sign of the enemy it needs to be ready for.

0:40.2

The mRNA vaccines work differently though.

0:43.2

They don't contain the virus itself, but the genetic information of a special protein

0:48.9

that the virus makes.

0:50.9

This is a protein that the body knows is foreign, and that helps the immune system recognize

0:56.6

the arrival of the virus itself.

0:59.5

Because mRNA vaccines don't rely on manufacturing actual viruses, they're much easier and

1:05.6

cheaper to produce at scale.

1:08.4

Incredibly, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were developed, tested, and put into people's arms

1:15.2

in less than a year.

1:21.3

But if they were so new, how did this all happen so fast?

1:26.2

The people who really took those COVID vaccines to the clinic actually were cancer vaccine

1:32.7

people, and had been using that mRNA technology for quite a few years.

1:38.5

Noradesis is director of the Cancer Vaccine Institute at the University of Washington School

1:43.8

of Medicine.

1:44.8

And the founding editor of JAMA Oncology.

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