71. Israel Attacks Iran: The Dawn of Cyber Warfare (Ep 4)

The Rest Is Classified

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🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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How did the Stuxnet cyberweapon, designed to be covert, break out into the wild? What were the world-changing implications of this sophisticated attack on Iran's nuclear centrifuges, and what happened when it was exposed? Listen as David McCloskey and Gordon Corera reach the finale of their series on the Stuxnet cyberweapon, discussing its discovery by cybersecurity researchers and the subsequent shift in tactics against Iran's nuclear ambitions. ------------------- To sign up to The Declassified Club, go to ⁠www.therestisclassified.com⁠. To sign up to the free newsletter, go to: ⁠https://mailchi.mp/goalhanger.com/tric-free-newsletter-sign-up⁠ ------------------- Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ nordvpn.com/restisclassified It's risk-free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee ------------------- Order a signed edition of Gordon's latest book, The Spy in the Archive, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Order a signed edition of David's latest book, The Seventh Floor, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ------------------- Email: [email protected] Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@triclassified⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Assistant Producer: Becki Hills Producer: Callum Hill Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:58.4	It would be irresponsible for someone of my background to even speculate.
1:03.4	But it's not speculation to know that someone just used a cyber weapon to affect damage,
1:06.4	not in the cyber domain, but in the physical domain.
1:09.6	That's the first significant crossover that we've seen.
1:15.5	Now look, I tell audiences that crashing a thousand centrifuges at a time is almost an unalloyed good.
1:27.8	But when you describe what just happened there in a slightly different way, someone just used a cyber weapon during a time of peace to affect physical destruction in what another nation would only describe as critical infrastructure, well, you've got to realize that although that was a good deal, it was also a really big deal,
1:32.5	and it does have second and third order effects.
1:35.4	A new class of weapons has been used.
1:38.3	Go deeper into history and say somebody's crossed the Rubicon.
1:42.7	We've got a legion on the different side of the river now.
1:45.5	Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I am David McCloskey. And I'm Gordon Carrara. And that,
1:50.5	Gordon, is an interview that you did. Those are not your words, but those of General Michael
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