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The Rest Is Classified

70. Israel Attacks Iran: The Virus Spreads (Ep 3)

The Rest Is Classified

Goalhanger

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4.6732 Ratings

🗓️ 3 August 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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What was the "horse blanket" and how did it guide Obama's decisions on cyber warfare? How did the Stuxnet virus evolve to target Iran's centrifuges more aggressively? And what were the risks and ethical dilemmas involved in unleashing such a powerful and precise cyber weapon? Listen as David McCloskey and Gordon Corera delve into the Obama administration's acceleration of the Olympic Games program, the sophisticated targeting mechanisms of the Stuxnet virus, and the increasing pressure on Iran's nuclear ambitions. ------------------- To sign up to The Declassified Club, go to⁠ ⁠www.therestisclassified.com⁠⁠. To sign up to the free newsletter, go to: ⁠https://mailchi.mp/goalhanger.com/tric-free-newsletter-sign-up⁠ ------------------- Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ nordvpn.com/restisclassified It's risk-free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee ------------------- Order a signed edition of Gordon's latest book, The Spy in the Archive, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Order a signed edition of David's latest book, The Seventh Floor, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ------------------- Email: [email protected] Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@triclassified⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Assistant Producer: Becki Hills Producer: Callum Hill Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:17.2

A COVID action has been launched against Iran's nuclear program.

0:21.2

But this time on the rest is classified.

0:23.3

We look at how the Obama administration decides to accelerate the targeting of Iran's centrifuges in a way that ultimately leads it to going out of control.

0:45.9

There was no consensus within the Obama administration about how these weapons should be used.

0:47.0

Even while Obama was approving new strikes on the Iranian nuclear plant, he harbored

0:51.8

his own doubts.

0:53.1

In meetings in the situation room in the

0:54.6

first year of his presidency, Obama had repeatedly questioned whether the United States was setting a

0:59.5

precedent using a cyber weapon to cripple a nuclear facility that the country would one day regret.

1:06.3

This was, he and others noted, exactly the kind of precision-guided weapon that other nations would

1:11.9

someday learn to turn on us. It was the right question, said one senior official who came

1:17.4

into the administration after the Stuxent attacks were over, but no one understood how quickly

1:22.6

that day would come. Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I am David McCloskey. And I'm Gordon Carrera.

1:29.1

And that is David Sanger writing in his book, The Perfect Weapon, about, of course, the Stuxnet

1:36.1

virus, this effort by the allegedly, Gordon, I guess, the United States of Israel to disrupt

1:42.8

and delay Iran's nuclear program. We have been looking

1:46.8

over the last couple episodes at the story of Iran's nuclear program and really some of the first

1:52.4

concerted attempts to sabotage it and take it down, not with bombs, as we've seen recently,

1:59.3

but with this cyber weapon.

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