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🗓️ 3 August 2025
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| 0:00.0 | For exclusive interviews, bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to series, |
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| 0:13.1 | join the declassified club at the rest is classified.com. |
| 0:17.2 | A COVID action has been launched against Iran's nuclear program. |
| 0:21.2 | But this time on the rest is classified. |
| 0:23.3 | We look at how the Obama administration decides to accelerate the targeting of Iran's centrifuges in a way that ultimately leads it to going out of control. |
| 0:45.9 | There was no consensus within the Obama administration about how these weapons should be used. |
| 0:47.0 | Even while Obama was approving new strikes on the Iranian nuclear plant, he harbored |
| 0:51.8 | his own doubts. |
| 0:53.1 | In meetings in the situation room in the |
| 0:54.6 | first year of his presidency, Obama had repeatedly questioned whether the United States was setting a |
| 0:59.5 | precedent using a cyber weapon to cripple a nuclear facility that the country would one day regret. |
| 1:06.3 | This was, he and others noted, exactly the kind of precision-guided weapon that other nations would |
| 1:11.9 | someday learn to turn on us. It was the right question, said one senior official who came |
| 1:17.4 | into the administration after the Stuxent attacks were over, but no one understood how quickly |
| 1:22.6 | that day would come. Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I am David McCloskey. And I'm Gordon Carrera. |
| 1:29.1 | And that is David Sanger writing in his book, The Perfect Weapon, about, of course, the Stuxnet |
| 1:36.1 | virus, this effort by the allegedly, Gordon, I guess, the United States of Israel to disrupt |
| 1:42.8 | and delay Iran's nuclear program. We have been looking |
| 1:46.8 | over the last couple episodes at the story of Iran's nuclear program and really some of the first |
| 1:52.4 | concerted attempts to sabotage it and take it down, not with bombs, as we've seen recently, |
| 1:59.3 | but with this cyber weapon. |
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