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My third son, we could kind of tell as a teenager that he was a little different.

And thinking, could Josh be gay?

And then you go, nah, and then you go back and forth that you kind of know but you kind of don't.

And basically at that time, I really didn't have any feelings about that one way or the other.

I had not been around that many gay people.

And then I, but then my boss when I first started working in 18, she was a lesbian.

But I knew she was a lesbian but I didn't know what that meant.

You just didn't question anything I guess, you know, unless somebody was really open about things.

But I had, it was a great experience that all the gay people when I thought about it up to that point that I'd ever been around were wonderful human beings.

I had a guy that has done my hair now for years and years and years and he was one of the first people and I even told Ron, I said, you're one of the reasons why I had such good experience or good formation because you were such a good person.

That's all I had to go from because I never got anything negative for my parents and at the time the world really that I lived in did talk about things very much.

You know, I just had these experiences going along and stuff and then, but then when he was 18 and confirmed to us that you don't know for sure until they tell you.

And they don't know for sure until they say it.

And he told Terry first and then he was coming home here to tell me and we went upstairs and sat in the chair and I remember thinking, what am I going to say?

What am I going to say? What am I going to say?

Because I knew it was really important that I say the right thing and how did I feel?

You know, and so when he was sitting there and he told me and stuff and I said, I said, welcome to the world.

I've been watching you as a square peg try to fit around whole all of your life. I'm so glad you know who you are.

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