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The Jordan Harbinger Show

700: Ioan Grillo | How America Arms Gangs and Cartels Part One

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger

Education, Science, Business

4.812.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Ioan Grillo (@ioangrillo) is a contributing writer at The New York Times specializing in crime and drugs. He is the author of El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency; Gangster Warlords: Drug Dollars, Killing Fields, and the New Politics of Latin America; and Blood Gun Money: How America Arms Gangs and Cartels. [This is part one of a two-part episode. Stay tuned for part two later this week!]

What We Discuss with Ioan Grillo:
  • How did Ioan Grillo -- a journalist from the UK -- find himself covering the illicit guns and drugs trade from behind the scenes in cartel-controlled Mexico and other pockets of Latin America?
  • The opulent cemetery where narcos are buried in multi-leveled, air-conditioned mausoleums that would make the ancient pharaohs blush.
  • The most devastating examples of human catastrophe Ioan has witnessed while reporting narcos-related crimes over the past two decades.
  • How much danger is a journalist like Ioan really in while reporting from the thick of such unfettered violence?
  • How thousands of children are recruited or forced into doing the cartels' most bloody work.
  • And much more...

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Grillo, this episode is heavy-duty. If you've got kids in the car, now is a great time to go to

1:05.2

another episode of the Jordan Harbinger Show. The drug trade is worth approximately $300

1:10.8

billion annually. This is why the most violent rise to the top. Everyone wants a piece,

1:16.2

and they'll do just about anything to get it. The murder of Lovell in Mexico is just horrific.

1:22.0

Over 5,000 bodies have been dug up in over 3,000 mass graves in Mexico. One mass grave near a

1:27.8

middle-class neighborhood had something like 250 skulls in it. I mean, just think about that. Only

1:31.7

the skulls. What does that mean? 33,000 murdered last I checked, and these are statistics that are

1:37.1

rising by the dozens every single day. Just an unbelievable amount of sadness and a horrific,

1:44.4

horrific violence in Mexico. We're going to talk a lot about that today, as Yo-On has been embedded

1:49.8

in these cartels, has worked a lot in the scene writing about drug dealers and cartels,

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