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The Big Picture

7. “The Realities of Time” | Gene and Roger

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.25.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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By the late '90s, the unlikely alliance between Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert was stronger than ever. But their hard-won friendship would soon face unexpected challenges that would end their time together sooner than anyone expected Host: Brian Raftery Producers: Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey, Isaac Lee, Noah Malale, Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

In early 1996, a strange thing happened on Cisco Nebert.

0:04.2

Jean and Roger were reviewing Broken Arrow,

0:06.4

the over-the-top action movie in which John Travolta burns through two nuclear warheads and about 200 cigarettes.

0:12.2

It was a kind of dumb, fun popcorn film Jean tended to enjoy,

0:15.5

and it started one of his favorite actors.

0:17.3

So he gave it a moderate thumbs up.

0:19.7

Then Roger chimed in.

0:21.7

It's just one special effect after another, and it's boring because the story is not interesting.

0:26.6

And the characters are not sharply drawn, and Travolta does not make a convincing villain.

0:30.7

It doesn't work. You know, as you say this, I don't think I've ever done this on the show in 20 years,

0:35.5

but I'm gonna twist my thumb.

0:38.0

I'm gonna go just like this.

0:40.6

Because... I told you it was?

0:42.1

Well, I said, I listened. It was a half-hearted endorsement.

0:44.6

Yeah, it was.

0:45.6

It had taken a few decades, but Roger had finally managed to change Jean's mind about a movie.

0:50.8

I'm changing my opinion now. Do me one favor.

0:53.0

I know your name. Do me one favor.

0:54.6

Look in the camera and say, I was wrong about cop-in-a-half.

0:57.7

It wasn't a very good movie.

0:59.0

Bert Reynolds.

1:00.2

I know I won't do that.

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