You're listening to the Colson Center Podcast Network.

Welcome to the Strong Women Podcast, where we explore a deeper understanding of the humanity, value, intellect, and creativity of women.

I'm your host, Sarah Stone Street.

And I'm your co-host, Erin Kunkel.

Thank you. and I'm your co-host, Erin Kunkel. Our guest today is Cindy Rollins, who's a dear friend of ours.

She's an author and speaker, and she has her own podcast called The Literary Life,

so you guess it we're talking about books again for some of our time at least.

But her book, Mere Motherhood, has been really influential in my life. And I know in

errands too. And Cindy is just very relatable and very honest. So she's one of those people that

when she talks, she's not even meaning to, but it ends up being a mentoring

conversation because she's got a lot of wisdom. So I'm excited for you guys to hear her.

We're going to talk about education because Cindy has spent a lot of time in education and has

great advice about that. We're also going to talk about motherhood.

Cindy has nine children.

Eight of them are boys, so that will be a fun topic.

All of them are out of the house now.

We're also going to talk about chivalry, the art of chivalry,

and why we think it's worth keeping and fighting for.

Some of you might hear that word and have your own opinions about chivalry. Maybe

not good ones, I don't know, but I would just encourage you to stick with us. Hear how we define it

and why we think it's a gift and worth keeping. So without further ado, here's Cindy.

Okay. So without further ado, here's Cindy. We would love just to start where you started and how you grew up, where you grew up,

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