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People I (Mostly) Admire

7. Caverly Morgan: "I Am Not This Voice. I Am Not This Narrative."

People I (Mostly) Admire

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Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2020

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

She showed up late and confused to her first silent retreat, but Caverly Morgan eventually trained for eight years in silence at a Zen monastery. Now her mindfulness-education program Peace in Schools is part of the high-school curriculum in Portland, Ore. Steve Levitt finds out what daily life is like in a silent monastery, why teens find it easier than adults to learn meditation, and what happy children can teach their parents.

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A student of mine came to speak at a school board meeting. I didn't know what he was going to say, but I've never forgotten it. He said,

0:06.0

Mindful Studies gave me the tools so I could save my life.

0:10.0

So these are the tools that give teens a very concrete way to move through the world with less suffering, with a deeper sense of knowing who they are and the capacity to deal with the inner critic, the voice that most of us don't ever even question.

0:30.0

I'm so excited to talk today with Cowarly Morgan.

0:33.0

She's quite different than the typical guest I have in this show

0:36.0

and that she's devoted her life to spirituality.

0:39.0

She spent eight years living in complete silence in a Zen monastery and since she left the

0:44.0

monastery she's done many interesting things but the one that really caught my

0:47.3

attention is a program called Peace in Schools that teaches mindfulness skills

0:51.5

to high school students.

0:53.0

I had a chance to observe that program firsthand

0:55.0

and I was so impressed that I immediately signed up to be a donor.

0:59.0

Welcome to people I mostly admire, with Steve Levitt.

1:05.0

Now, I've only talked with Calvary a few times at length, but I have to say, every time I walked away from the conversation,

1:12.0

I felt changed, I felt improved I felt happy so I

1:16.4

really hope that today's conversation will be in that same spirit. I'm not quite sure,

1:23.0

Calvary, how to introduce you. So I just want to start with the story I've heard that I think says a lot about who you are.

1:40.0

You were leading a retreat and a mosquito was buzzing around you and he waved your hand

1:46.1

shooing the mosquito away but it was persistent and it kept on hovering around you and this

1:50.8

went on apparently for about 30 seconds.

1:53.2

And then finally you just said, oh well, let's get this over with.

1:56.9

And you stood still and the mosquito landed on your cheek and it took a healthy dose of your blood until it finally was satisfied and it

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