7/7/25 Auron MacIntyre on Democracy, Empire and America’s Future

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Scott Horton

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🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Scott interviews Auron MacIntyre about his book on the failures of liberal democracies. They cover MacIntyre’s intellectual journey, the cost of empire, mass migration, Zionism in American politics and more. Discussed on the show: The Total State: How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies by Auron MacIntyre On Power by Bertrand de Jouvenel Auron MacIntyre is a columnist, lecturer, and author focusing on the application of political theory. He is the host of The Auron MacIntyre Show podcast and author of The Total State: How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies. Follow him on Twitter @AuronMacintyre This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated; Moon Does Artisan Coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	All right, you, welcome to the Scott Horton Show.
0:11.6	I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com,
0:16.4	and author of Provoked, how Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine.
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0:37.0	All right, y'all.
0:38.3	Introducing Oren McIntyre.
0:40.6	He is the host of the Orrin McIntyre show, which you can find on all your favorite podcatchers
0:45.4	and YouTube and it's part of Blaze Media.
0:48.5	And he wrote this great book that came out last year, The Total State, How Liberal Democracies
0:53.0	Become Tyrannies. Welcome to
0:55.3	show. How you doing? Doing well. Thanks, man. Very happy to have you here. Great book.
1:01.4	It's got a lot of criticisms of mass democracy that I'm used to hearing from libertarians as well
1:09.5	and has a lot of the same kind of solutions.
1:13.0	And I know that you have some differences with libertarians.
1:15.6	I'm not here to argue with you about those.
1:18.2	I'm here to, I have you here to forge alliances on all of our sames rather than accentuating our differences because I think we have so much in common and especially
1:27.6	on the most important things like for example building a statue of Pat Buchanan. Okay that's not one of the
1:33.9	most important things but that's certainly something we agree on. But of course he's a great friend of
1:40.5	ours here. But yeah so I guess go ahead and can you hit us with the overall
1:47.4	thesis about the paradoxes and problems of mass democracy and individual liberty here?
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