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🗓️ 13 September 2022
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It’s been a few weeks since the White House announced a plan for student loan forgiveness, and in that time, you’ve likely seen all sorts of articles and social media posts pushing back against it.
Watching these arguments unfold has been frustrating, and it can be hard to know what to say.
To help all of us know how to respond, I interviewed my dad, Ken Clarke, who spent more than 35 years working as a financial aid professional.
I mean it when I say my dad is the perfect person to walk us through this conversation. When he retired, he was the dean of financial aid for all Maricopa County community colleges in Arizona, and he had helped thousands of students navigate the financial aid process throughout his career.
The conversation I had with him was so good and full of information that I ended up splitting it into two episodes.
In this first episode, we address four of the most common arguments against student loan forgiveness:
And be on the lookout for the bonus episode with the second half of this conversation where my dad and I talk more about the history of student loans and how college became so expensive.
6 Characteristics of a Positive Community
Anti-racism is a vital part of EVERY community. It’s not something we should silo away from the other communities we are a part of, whether that’s your neighborhood, church, PTA, craft circle, fitness group, etc. We should just focus on building healthy communities — where we strive for fairness, communicate when there’s friction, embrace freedom of expression and celebrate traditions together.
And First Name Basis is here to help you do it! Visit firstnamebasis.org/positivecommunity to get your FREE printable of the 6 characteristics of a positive community, adapted for the podcast from Dr. Nicole Celestine’s work.
Ally Elementary and Ally Elementary Jr.
We are opening the doors to both Ally Elementary and Ally Elementary Jr. on Sept. 20!
Parents have been asking for a practical, interactive way to implement the anti-racist strategies that I lay out in the First Name Basis Podcast, so I created Ally Elementary and Ally Elementary Jr.
Ally Elementary is geared toward third-eighth graders, while Ally Elementary Jr. is for the smaller allies in our lives who are in preschool-second grade.
During these programs, parents will work together with their children to create a culture of anti-racism in their home. We will use hands-on activities to teach our children about everything from the untold story of how race was created to how they can disrupt racism in their everyday lives to how they can learn more about their individual identity and culture. I am so excited to watch the families in our community make a meaningful transformation and improve their communities through anti-racist action.
Click here to join the waitlist for Ally Elementary (for third-eighth graders)
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Articles, Studies, & Podcasts Referenced in the Episode
First Name Basis Podcast: Season 2, Episode 5: “A Conversation With My Dad About Black History Month” with Ken Clarke
First Name Basis Podcast: Season 3, Episode 14: “The Untold Story of Fried Chicken” with Ken Clarke
First Name Basis Podcast: Season 4, Episode 10: “The Memory That I Can’t Shake: The Why Behind Ally Elementary”
First Name Basis Podcast: Season 5, Episode 16: “Age Appropriate Anti-Racism”
“Student Loan Debt by Race,” by Melanie Hanson, Education Data Initiative
“Jim Crow Debt: How Black Borrowers Experience Student Loans,” by Jalil B. Mustaffa and Jonathan C.W. Davis, The Education Trust
“What will student loan forgiveness mean for Black students and families?" by Andre M. Perry and Adrianna Pita, The Current Podcast from Brookings
“Fact Sheet: President Biden Announces Student Loan Relief for Borrowers Who Need It Most,” The White House
Who is My Student Loan Servicer?
Song credit: “Sleeper” by Steve Adams” and “Dive Down” by VYEN
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0:00.0 | You're listening to the First Name Basis podcast, season 7, episode three. Real Talk, |
0:06.4 | you should support student loan forgiveness. |
0:15.5 | Teaching our children to be inclusive and anti-racist starts with us within the sacred walls of our home. |
0:23.6 | First-name basis is designed to empower you with the confidence you need to be a leader in |
0:28.4 | your family and a change maker in your community. Together, we will wrestle with hard questions |
0:34.1 | and use the answers to create the world we want, a world that reflects our values |
0:39.5 | of inclusion, compassion, and courage. I'm your host, Jasmine Bradshaw, and I am so excited |
0:47.1 | to be on this journey with you. Hello, First NameBasis, fam. I am so glad you are here. Today we are talking about the hot button issue of |
0:59.4 | student loan forgiveness. Now, if your social media looks anything like my husbands, I was going to say mine, |
1:06.7 | but really my husbands, you're probably seeing a lot of pushback against student loan forgiveness. |
1:11.7 | And it's really frustrating. |
1:13.7 | I mean, I'm just going to lay it out there. |
1:15.4 | It's really frustrating to see this pushback, but maybe you don't know how to respond. |
1:19.8 | So what I've done today is I have taken four of the most common arguments that I've seen against student loan forgiveness. |
1:25.9 | And I have invited a special guest to |
1:28.0 | help us talk through how we respond when people are saying these things. And that special guest |
1:33.4 | is none other than my dad, Ken Clark. So as many of you know, my dad has been on the podcast |
1:39.5 | before way back when a very, very long time ago. But I will link that episode in the show notes because |
1:44.9 | it was forever ago and we were talking about Black History Month. It is one of my favorite episodes |
1:49.8 | and one of your favorite episodes. Y'all love my dad so much. And I'm grateful because I love him too. |
1:55.6 | He's wonderful. But my dad was actually a financial aid professional. So my entire life, my dad spent his career |
2:04.3 | helping other people get the money that they needed in order to go to college. My dad worked in |
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