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Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

7/28/22 Douglas Macgregor on NATO’s Doomed Strategy in Ukraine

Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

Scott Horton

News, Politics

4.8902 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

This week on Antiwar Radio, Scott was joined by retired Col. Douglas Macgregor to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine. Macgregor has been deeply critical of NATO’s reaction to the Russian invasion, which he calls impulsive. He says the leverage Russia holds over Europe’s energy supply is itself enough of a reason to avoid picking a fight. He predicts a painful winter for Europeans, especially Germans, as energy shortages threaten their access to heat. He then gets into some mistakes the Russians made such as the choice not to cut off gas supplies before turning to military action and, once the invasion had begun, not committing to hold captured territory permanently. While Scott and Macgregor agree that NATO’s intent is to fight until the last Ukrainian, Macgregor predicts that weak western economies will cause NATO’s support to dry up before Russian forces run out of steam.  Discussed on the show: “Worshipping Dead Horses” (The American Conservative) Douglas Macgregor, Col. (ret.) is a senior fellow with The American Conservative, the former advisor to the Secretary of Defense in the Trump administration, a decorated combat veteran, and the author of five books. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Free Range Feeder; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt and Listen and Think Audio. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

For Pacifica Radio, July 31st, 2022.

0:04.8

I'm Scott Horton.

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This is anti-war radio. All right, y'all welcome the show. It is Anti War Radio. I'm your host Scott Horton I'm

0:25.0

editorial director of anti-war.com and editor of the new book

0:28.7

Hotter than the Sun time to abolish nuclear weapons. You can find my full interview archive more than 5,700 of them now going back to 2003 at

0:38.4

Scott Horton.org and at YouTube.com slash Scott Horton show and you can follow me on Twitter at Scott Horton Show.

0:45.0

All right you guys and introducing Colonel Douglas McGregor.

0:50.0

Of course he's the hero of the Great Tank Battle of Iraq War I and he wrote a whole bunch of

0:54.8

books about military strategy, writes regularly at the American Conservative magazine, and

1:00.8

has been very outspoken about America's role in Russia's war in Ukraine.

1:08.0

Welcome back to the show, how you doing, Doug?

1:10.4

Great, thanks.

1:11.8

Good, very happy to have you on the show here.

1:14.0

There's so much going on, but let's start with your news.

1:17.3

You have been blacklisted, sir, along with the likes of John Meerschimer and Glenn Greenwald and Edward Lutwack, huh?

1:24.7

And Ray McGovern, Doug Bondo, Tulsi Gabbard, Max Blumenthal, Paul Pillar, I feel so

1:30.0

left out. How could they include Paul Pillar and not me I'm shop over here I guess but anyway at

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least they got two of my colleagues from anti-war.com Ray McGovern and Doug Bondo on

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there for being good on this war essentially.

1:46.7

So how's it feel?

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Have you been sanctioned, sir, are they closing your bank account or how's that working?

1:52.1

Well I've been sanctioned for years largely by generals in the military.

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