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699: Jeremy Keith on Web Day Out

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4.9623 Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Show DescriptionWeb Day Out is coming up and Jeremy Keith from Clearleft (name pending the ShopTalk Show rebrand) is here to chat about it and while we've got him, Dave throws him on the hot seat to answer some hard hitting journalism questions about the state of the web in 2026. Listen on WebsiteWatch on YouTubeLinks Web Day Out in Brighton, March 12th 2026 Strategic design partners for website and service design | Clearleft css.properties Raycast - Your shortcut to everything Rachel Andrew – Doing stuff on the web since 1996. Browser support at Clearleft CSS Day 2026, 11th & 12th of June, Amsterdam SponsorsAxe-conAxe-con - the world's largest digital accessibility conference is from the makers of Axe-core and Axe DevTools Browser Extension. Taking place online on February 24-25. Registration is free and also gets you access to the on-demand recordings. Axe-con has a specific Development Track for dev content - some top speakers are Ire Aderinokun (front-end developer and Google developer expert), Jesse Beach (Software Engineering Manager at Meta), and other prominent folks from orgs like Coinbase, Zendesk, Red Hat, Atlassian, and more.

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0:00.0

Hey,

0:07.0

Hey there, Shobo Maniacs, how are you doing? Welcome to another episode the Shop Talk Show. I'm Dave Rupert with me. It's Chris Quirry, Chris. Hey, $6.99, actually. I just saw that. I don't know why that. Does that feel cool? Is that like, it's like the sexy number and another nine, which is like extra sexy? Yeah, it's kind of like, uh, yeah, illicit, we'll say. Yeah. It's very illicit. Yeah. Well, we have the, I was going to, you know, I was going to say we have the internet zone, Jeremy Keith here, but I'm really going to say the web zone, Jeremy Keith. Hi, Jeremy, by the way. Oh, hi. And thank you for the clarity in that, Chris. I appreciate that.

0:55.0

That's good.

0:55.6

Yeah.

0:56.1

Like, can you imagine?

0:57.3

There's probably people that work heavily on the internet.

1:00.2

Like, they're internet people who have nothing to do with the web.

1:03.9

Yeah.

1:04.4

Right?

1:04.6

Like, they just, I don't know.

1:05.7

They just, they are really into some other protocol that happens to smurf about the wires of the internet,

1:14.2

but just don't really care about the HTTTP part.

1:18.1

Every native app developer, I guess, is an internet developer, technically, but not a web developer.

1:23.7

Isn't that that not, oh man, we're already in it. We already stepped in it. That, that delta, it's like your app is a bunch of web views. Like what you're, and you're like, oh, my data app development is just just HTML all up and down. Yeah. That drives drives me. But is it convoluted?

1:44.3

I know we're just in it, but deal with it, people.

1:46.4

You've been listening to this show for a while, so you know the deal.

1:48.8

Even though your web, let's say it isn't web views, it really is like Swift or whatever

1:54.4

crap or Java.

1:56.6

It still likely is making like fetch requests or whatever the Swift to like to your little

2:04.2

through your drizzle to your Postgres or whatever.

2:07.5

And those really are using like internet addresses to access that data.

2:13.2

Right.

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