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We've got pastor Paul Swarengine back on the show. Paul's got a

podcast called Evangelical-ish and I wanted to get that plug-in. So if you guys are in the mood for some

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Some call him the liberal pastor progressive pastor

But yeah, I try to avoid those labels. I call myself unconventional pastor.

Unconventional pastor. I love it. And you have had quite quite the arc. You started a much more conservative pastor with a much more conservative viewpoint and you've come out on the other side is that would you say that's an accurate summation of your journey?

A good summation growing up in a home where Ronald Reagan and of your

good summation growing up in a home where Ronald Reagan and God were neck and neck is the greatest beings in the history of the universe to today not so sure that's true.

I don't know Reagan is starting to look I mean Trump makes everybody look good I mean George W Bush looks looking real good comparatively these days and even Reagan. I don't know if I've ever told you this before,

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