692: Vertical vs. Horizontal Morality & Rediscovering Confession with Jamin Goggin
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.5 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 22 October 2025
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
A recent article tries to explain why so many politically active Christians behave unchristianly in the public square by differentiating "vertical" and "horizontal" sources of morality. The Holy Post crew examines the argument and finds it weak. Has MAGA ignited a revival in the U.S.? David French says we may be confusing a political revolution for a spiritual revival. Jamin Goggin joins Skye to discuss recovering the practice of confession in our churches. Goggin says it should start with pastors. Also this week—man does not live by 1200-year-old bread alone.
0:00 - Show Starts
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5:49 - No Kings Protest
10:15 - Image of Christ found in 1200 year old bread
14:56 - Revival or Revolution?
26:38 - Vertical morality vs Horizontal morality
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49:52 - Interview with Jamin Goggin
Pastoral Confessions: The Healing Path to Faithful Ministry by Jamin Goggin
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1:25:52 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
1,200-year-old loaf of bread with image of Christ unearthed in astonishing find
What Drives MAGA Christians' Un-Christian Actions? Experts Say It Comes Down To This.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vertical-morality-maga-christians_l_68dc8386e4b0b11989f00fb8
Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It's Making Me Nervous
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/16/opinion/christianity-charlie-kirk-revolution-revival.html
Other Resources:
Pastoral Confessions: The Healing Path to Faithful Ministry by Jamin Goggin
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb: Searching for Jesus' Path of Power in a Church that Has Abandoned It
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. A recent article tries to explain why so many politically active Christians |
| 0:05.3 | behave so unchristianly in the public square by differentiating between vertical and |
| 0:10.6 | horizontal sources of morality. On today's show, we examine this argument, and, spoiler alert, |
| 0:16.8 | we think it's pretty weak. Then, has MAa ignited a revival in the U.S.? |
| 0:22.1 | David French says we may be confusing a political revolution for a spiritual revival. |
| 0:28.0 | Then Jaman Goggan joins me to talk about rediscovering the practice of confession in our churches, |
| 0:33.8 | and he says it should start with pastors. |
| 0:36.7 | Also this week, man does not live by 1,200-year-old bread alone. |
| 0:41.6 | Before we jump in, we have another Holy Post event coming up, and this time it's on the |
| 0:45.8 | West Coast. |
| 0:46.9 | I'm going to be in Los Angeles on Saturday, November 15th, and my guest will be Old |
| 0:51.6 | Testament scholar and professor Dr. Carmen Ims. |
| 0:55.0 | She's the author of numerous books, a regular contributor to the Bible project, and of course, |
| 0:59.6 | she's one of our favorite Holy Post pundits. |
| 1:01.9 | It's going to be a fun evening and a great conversation. |
| 1:04.5 | So if you're in Southern California and eager to meet other Holy Posters, this is your chance. |
| 1:09.6 | Tickets are now available at holypost.com slash events. Again, that's holypost.com slash events. Hey, there, welcome back to the Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Fisher. I'm here with Sky Jitani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. Hi. Good to see you. You too. And Caitlin Chess, hi, Kaylin. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, who's traveled in the last week? |
| 1:29.9 | Not me. |
| 1:30.7 | Nobody? |
| 1:47.0 | Not me. No. No, wow. Yeah. Okay, no traveling. But next week, are you going somewhere next week? No. Okay. I got to go to Indy. I got to go to Indy for a lily of it, unrelated to our potential relationship with them. |
| 1:46.4 | Shh, don't tell you one secret. That's not really traveling. Yeah, that's, yeah. |
| 1:55.1 | All the way to Indy. It's like three hours of driving. I don't think that's traveling. Okay. |
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