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691: Charts + Graphs, Vibe Coding an App, and Debating Affordances

ShopTalk

ShopTalk

Technology

4.9623 Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Show DescriptionWhat do Balatro streamers do when the game is over, Random in CSS is so hot right now, Dave has a better idea for charts and graphs that would change the world, Quiet UI follow up, Dave tries vibe coding a tennis app and doesn't completely John McEnroe his laptop, Chris wonders about better cursor UI on the web, and debating affordances vs conventions. Listen on WebsiteWatch on YouTubeLinks Jynxzi - Twitch BALL x PIT on Steam Enhancing Web Components Safely with Self-Destructing CSS by Scott Jehl https://webawesome.com Podcast Awesome Quiet UI A Beautiful Site Eleventy is a simpler static site generator Don’t use custom CSS mouse cursors – Eric Bailey Home | Rach Smith's digital garden The Two Button Problem – Frontend Masters Blog SponsorstldrawHave you ever wanted to build an app that works kinda like Miro or Figma, that has a zoomable infinite canvas, that’s multiplayer, and really good, but you also want to build it in React with normal React components on the canvas? Good news! tldraw is the world’s first, best, and only SDK for building infinite canvas apps in React. tldraw takes care of all the canvas complexities — things like the camera, selection logic, and undo redo — so that you can focus on building the features that matter to your users. It’s easy to use with plenty of examples and starter kits, including a kit where you can use AI to create things on the canvas. Get started for free at tldraw.dev/shoptalk, or run npm create tldraw to spin up a starter kit.

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0:00.0

Hey there, shop,

0:01.9

Bill,

0:18.0

Websites.

0:20.2

Hey there, Shob Maniacs. you're listening to another episode of Shop.

0:23.6

Talk, show, podcast about websites and things.

0:26.0

I'm Dave Rupert, and with me is Chris Coyer.

0:27.9

Hey, Chris, how are you doing today?

0:29.0

You know it.

0:30.0

We have to deliver value in the first 30 seconds.

0:33.5

Wow!

0:34.3

Wow.

0:34.8

Check out this cool website on my hand.

0:37.4

Yeah, it's Matthias Otts, bonkers website.

0:42.2

There you go.

0:43.1

Oh, nice.

0:45.5

I was watching a, you know, because there was like a minute I was into, I'm still

0:51.1

into it a little bit, watching like some Bellatro videos on YouTube, you know?

0:54.8

I find them relaxing.

0:56.6

I get like a similar enjoyment of just watching than I do playing.

1:00.9

That's always been true for me, you know, hence the not being surprised that Twitch is as big as it is.

1:08.3

You know, I think it confuses the old sometimes.

1:11.2

They're like, wait, you watch people play video games?

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