Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

Hey there, I'm Jason Gatz, and you're listening to Think Again a Big Think podcast.

Since the early days of the public internet, Big Think has curated more than 10,000 powerful ideas

and shared them through video, text, and social media.

The Think Again podcast takes us in a different direction out of our comfort zone,

surprising me and my guests with conversation topics we didn't necessarily come here

prepared to discuss.

I'm very happy to be here today with Jody Pico.

She's the number one New York Times best-selling author of 23

novels, including Leaving Time, The Storyteller, Lone Wolf, and My Sister's Keeper. Jody's

latest novel, Small Great Things, has deep personal resonance for her and has been many years

in the making. It deals with racism in America today, both in the explicit form of a white

supremacist character and the implicit racism that results from class privilege. Welcome to think

again, Judy. Thank you so much. So, I mean, I guess let's start with the elephant in the room,

which is that we are two white people here about to talk about racism in America. I sort of wish that we had a person of color with us.

Tana Hassee Coates or Jolani Cobb, who's going to be here later in the week to kind of bounce these things off of too.

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