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Hey folks, how you doing? Welcome to the Other People Show. My name's Brad Listy. It's nice to be with you.

I'm in Los Angeles. I'm staring at a gingerbread house.

My son made me a gingerbread house and he gave it to me and he insisted that I bring it in here.

And I want to eat it.

I have an interesting episode for you today. I have Michael Schumacher on the program.

He wrote a critical biography of Alan Ginsberg called Darmalion,

and he has edited several volumes of Ginsburg's journals,

including a recent collection, including a recent collection

or a recent collection of Ginsburg's journals called The Fall of America.

The Fall of America Journals, excuse me, 1965 to 1971.

The Fall of America Journal's 1965 to 1971, just out from the University of Minnesota Press.

I had a great conversation with Michael Schumacher. That's coming up in just a moment.

Alan Ginsberg was perhaps the most famous and influential American poet of the 20th century.

You know, these kinds of things are always up for debate, but it's hard not to have him up there

at the top of the list. Gensberg died in the 90s, in 1997, in New York City. He was 70 years old.

It's hard to believe he's been gone for more than 20 years.

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