If nobody turned that one steer the four times you're riding that night, you didn't get a turn in.

You just didn't get to row.

When the heck loans you $30,000 to go rodeo?

What are you talking about?

We get down, we're like, this sucks.

We're still going to do it.

I can't stand it.

So I just go up to him and I am like, is there something wrong with your brain?

So we're officially going.

Undefendable.

Yeah, that is our, that really is our management.

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And the reason that happens so long.

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I jumped in the car. He said he would do it. So I jumped in the car and drove four hours up there

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