So really when people are afraid they tend not to put things into words and when it just kind of

goes off into the separate part of the brain where it becomes a secret. Welcome to the art of charm.

I'm Jordan Harbinger and I'm here with producer Jason Affilipo. Jason, this is an interesting one,

man. We almost didn't make it. This one almost didn't make the calendar just because of our crazy

holiday schedule, but I'm glad it did. I'm so glad it did. I love this book and I love Meg J and I

think I'm so glad we got this one in because I think this is going to be really valuable to a lot of

people. Yeah, today we're talking with Dr. Meg J. She's a clinical psychologist who specializes in

adult development. She's got doctorates in clinical psychology and gender studies from the University

of California, Berkeley, of course. And today we'll discover why childhood adversity can actually help

us become high achievers, depending on how we react to it. We'll also explore the idea that having

too little adversity in our lives can actually be harmful to us in the long run and it will uncover

how we can not only develop resilience, but moderate our resilience in such a way that we get all

the benefits without the drawbacks that cause problems in our lives and in our relationships

later on down the line. If you've had a rough childhood, you know someone who has or are simply

as fascinated with psychology as I am, you'll love this episode and don't forget we have a worksheet

for today's episode is always here. So you can make sure you solidify your understanding of the

key takeaways from Meg J. That link is in the show notes at the art of charm.com slash podcast.

All right, let's dive in with Dr. Meg J. Thanks for coming on today. I read the book super

normals. I dig it. I first I was thinking, Oh man, you know, this sounds like it could be a little

depressing, but I quickly peaked my interest because much like many super normals, I had no idea

that there were so many people that succeeded in spite of adversity. But let's back up the

truck a little bit and start with what the term super normal even means. Sure. So the word super

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