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And we're gonna sue David Smalley for slander. The world divided. It's time to resurrect nuance and remember the importance of conversation.

He's an actor. He's a comedian and he'll make you think.

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It's Michael Regilio.

And we're going to have a really great show today, and I'll tell you why, because Daniel's shower is here, and Daniel is a listener to the show and he heard the recent episode I did with the former guy which is what we call him now

His name shall not be said. It's just like with that ex-president guy where they're calling him the former guy of the same ilk in caliber is the former host of this show. He's unmentionable. We're not going to say his name, but and I asked him on that show what he thought happened to the atheist movement which to me and to a great many other people during the era of say

Hitchins Harris Dawkins when they were on the nightly news and movies and documentaries were coming out about this.

I felt like we were about to do something real, like the atheist movement was about to

blast into the mainstream people were going to see the light skepticism was going to become the rule of the day and we would all live in atheist heaven.

And that all worked out, right?

And so we have Daniel here and he said he's got a different take on it.

And then in talking to Daniel pre-show, Daniel has a technology he's developed that has to do with

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