He took the women from the men in their relationships, and he just was like, this is my wife now,

and I was included. He started to have sexual intercourse with women whenever he wanted.

And if you didn't give him what he wanted, you'll get shunned, humiliated, ridiculed, beaten,

hit, slapped. You know, it was just, it was a lot. So, yeah, it was horrible. It was dark. Thank you. On today's new episode, we are joined by documentarian Benjamin Zand and the great Jena Newell.

And Jenaa is a survivor of a cult, survivor of domestic abuse, narcissistic abuse.

She is a central focus of the fantastic docu-series, The Cult of Nature Boy. This is

easily one of the most powerful heroing and uplifting episodes we have produced. The Cult of Nature

Boy is a four-part investigative series produced by ABC News Studios and Zandland. It premiered on Hulu

on April 28th of this year, 26, so you can check it out now.

It's directed by the award-winning filmmaker Benjamin Zand, who is joining us.

We can't recommend this docu-series enough, so please check it out.

And while you're at it, check out everything Benjamin has going on at the very cleverly named website, www.zand. And please follow Janaya on social and pick up a copy of one of her books, most notably lesson learned, wisdom granted by the divine. She also has another book called The Goddess Affirmation Book. So pick up a copy of any one of her books wherever you get your books. All links to follow and all links to pick up. Janaya's books are in the show notes. Okay, we really hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we enjoyed having it with these two. It's an important one, and we would love to hear your thoughts,

so please leave us a comment on YouTube or Spotify. And please follow us on social at Missing

CSM. Now we're going to break real quick for our sponsors, and we will return with Janaya Newell

and Benjamin Zand. And.......

... Welcome to the podcast, Janay and Benjamin.

How are you both doing today?

I'm doing well. Thank you for asking.

Yeah, really good. Thank you so much. So excited to have you two on this episode today. And Tim and I have interviewed, I don't even know how many people we've interviewed during our careers as podcasters, but it's in the hundreds. It's definitely in the hundreds. And there's like a handful that make me nervous before. And it's like this nervous anxiety. And I have this nervous anxiety right now because what the two of you have done is remarkable. And the work that you produced is remarkable on this. And your journeys have been incredible to watch and be a part of like in in a secondary way.

Some people don't know who you are.

If you want to start with an introduction, whoever wants to go first, you can go

reverse alphabetical order or however you want to do this.

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