Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast.

I'm your host, Catholic Answers Apologist and Speaker Trent Horn.

This is the most relaxed interview setting I have ever been in.

Rocking chairs on the porch in Southern California, it cannot be beat, joining me, John Steingard,

former frontman for Hawk Nelson.

Thank you Trent.

We chatted before a few months ago about your de-conversion from the Christian faith.

I figured since I was going to be in town for the Catholic Answers conference, hence why

I'm dressed so spiffy by the way.

Yeah, Trent showed up and I was like, oh man, I'm not wearing my suit right now.

No, you're way cooler.

I always feel like such a dork sometimes.

No, I actually got a suit recently that's like I'm really excited about.

It's wearing a suit and going out to like fancy restaurants.

I like feeling like a grown-up.

Yeah, a nice, there's a difference between wearing like what feels like your dad's suit

and then like a suit.

Right, one that's like tailored, nice real.

It's a suit.

Oh yeah, that makes me happy.

At least I don't feel like a kid anymore.

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