Radio Mano, Papa Chango You know, I should probably have a official subcategory of podcast, which is where the guest is someone who listened to the podcast and reached out

to me because of that, and we got to know each other, or they came to visit Crestone, or I ran

into them, you know, on the road somewhere, whatever, and then we sit down and record a podcast,

and so the audience becomes the guest

and it closes the circle.

That beautiful circle of life.

Yeah, this is one of those.

And I love these episodes.

I love this.

Because something about it

confirms... I... Something about it confirms

I've never articulated this.

But one of the conceits of this podcast

is that

if you give someone space and curiosity and attention,

everybody is really interesting.

I've yet to meet someone who isn't in those circumstances, right? And I've said this before that

one of the things I feel that this podcast is kind of an echo of, you know, when I was 18, 19,

20, and I was hitchhiking,

which I guess people don't do anymore.

And it's a shame.

And I understand why they don't do it.

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