All right, welcome everyone back to dissecting popular IT nerds.

Today we have Michael Horn on the line, IT director, oh sorry, Director of Information Technology,

I interchange those a lot at First Mile,

multiple hatware comes from a background of software development.

So that means you must have some kind of personality.

Regardless, welcome to the show, Michael.

And you gave me this, like, you mentioned this really insane idea to me,

but shouldn't be insane.

We should call this a sane idea when we are talking about a philosophy,

a work philosophy, and that work philosophy was unlimited

PTO.

Yes.

And before we even get into, you know, why a software developer would end up in information

technology, I mean, usually we kind of lock those guys up in the back room. But how, you know, unlimited PTO sounds like this, it actually does sound like an

idea software guy would come up with. But please explain this because that's, to me, very exciting.

And I think everyone would love to have unlimited PTO. Okay, so from a software developing perspective,

it also fits several other departments.

But really, when you're paid to get a job done

and not just put in hours, this works perfectly. So, you know, when you're paid to get a job done and not just put in hours, this works perfectly. So,

you know, when you're, uh, you know, if you're familiar with the, with the agile methodology,

you know, you got a two weeks from and say that, you know, 80 hours. And so, you know,

maybe, maybe you have finished your 80 hours and 60 hours.

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