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Grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason

de Philippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and

who's to blame. Welcome to grumpy old geeks, I'm Jason de Philip Ho.

And I'm Brian Schlemister.

Wordpress drama this week, Brian.

Oh, the drama.

Okay, now I have to admit, I have not particularly followed this because I knew I didn't have

to because you are so deeply enmeshed in this. So I figured I'd get the whole, I'd get the entire story from you.

Okay, well, here's, I mean, we started to talk about it when it first hit the fan with little Maddie Matt getting up on stage at

WordPress con whatever and saying that the great evil are these people at

W.P engine so the way that this thing started to break was it, oh, okay, Matt just has a bug up his ass because they're eating his lunch over at W.P. Engine.

Well, it turns out that is true, but it began, it began long before the WordPress convention and he's been he's been trying to strong arm these people for money for ages

Right and he's using all sorts of tactics, but the main tactic that they're using is trademark infringement on the wordpress trademark.

So because they use W.P. in their name?

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