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667. Here’s Why You Are Constantly Fighting Off Scammers

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🗓️ 13 March 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

A ruthless (and ruthlessly efficient) industry is using digital tools to supercharge one of the world’s oldest behaviors. We look at how the industry works, and ask the scam-fighters what they’re doing about it.

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In January, a 38-year-old Chinese-born entrepreneur named Chenji was arrested in Cambodia and extradited to China.

0:13.3

He was one of the richest people in Cambodia and one of the best connected.

0:17.1

He was an elite businessman who also served as a government advisor.

0:22.5

A few months before this arrest, it was the U.S. government who went after Chen. They designated his holding company,

0:28.0

a transnational criminal organization, and they charged him with fraud and money laundering.

0:32.7

They also seized $15 billion worth of crypto. Where did all that crypto come from?

0:39.5

Chenji, in addition to running a real estate development firm and other businesses,

0:44.0

allegedly ran a massive online scamming operation that specialized in what the Chinese

0:48.8

call pig butchering.

0:50.5

That means fattening up the scam victims for months or years.

0:54.8

And then, when the time is right, the slaughter.

0:58.1

U.S. prosecutors say that cybercrime in Cambodia generates as much as $19 billion a year,

1:04.7

which would account for roughly half of the Cambodian GDP.

1:08.6

The U.S. government says that scammers in Southeast Asia stole $10 billion from Americans in

1:14.2

24 alone.

1:15.8

There were other victims, too.

1:17.6

After Chen was arrested in Cambodia, thousands of his workers fled the country.

1:23.0

They had reportedly been trafficked to Cambodia, and they were being held against their

1:27.4

will at scam

1:28.4

compounds. Today, on Freakonomics Radio, is it fair to call scamming an industry?

1:34.9

It is absolutely an industry, a very complex, always evolving, very competitive industry.

1:41.7

We will hear how the industry works from getting hold of your data.

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