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The Rest Is History

664. Britain in the 70s: Scandal in Downing Street (Part 3)

The Rest Is History

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4.626.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2026

⏱️ 71 minutes

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With Britain heading towards financial meltdown and paranoia in the air, could its exhausted Prime Minister, Harold Wilson survive? Why were bombs going off in London every few days in the winter of 1975? And, with inflation reaching unprecedented heights, would the government finally act? Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss one of the greatest crisis points in modern British history. _______ Join The Rest Is History Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to every series and live show tickets, a members-only newsletter, discounted books from the show, and access to our private Discord chatroom. Sign up directly at the⁠restishistory.com⁠ To read our new newsletter, sign up at: therestishistory.com/newsletters Advertise with us: Partnerships@goalhanger.com _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Video Editors: Jack Meek, Harry Swan + Adam Thornton Social Producer: Harry Balden Producers: Tabby Syrett & Aaliyah Akude  Senior Producer: Callum Hill Executive Producer: Dom Johnson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Oh, I'd love to enter politics. I will one day. I'd adore to be Prime Minister.

0:18.0

And yes, I believe very strongly in fascism. The only way we can

0:23.6

speed up the sort of liberalism that's hanging foul in the air at the moment is to speed up the progress

0:29.6

of a right wing, totally dictatorial tyranny, and get it over as fast as possible. People have always

0:37.3

responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership.

0:41.3

A liberal wastes time saying,

0:43.3

well now, what ideas have you got?

0:46.3

Show them what to do for God's sake.

0:48.3

If you don't, nothing will get done.

0:51.3

I can't stand people just hanging about. Television is the most successful

0:56.3

fascist, needless to say. Rock stars are fascists too. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars.

1:04.5

Look at some of his films and see how he moved. I think he was quite as good as Jagger.

1:15.0

It's astounding. And boy, when he hit that stage, he worked to an audience. Good God. He was no politician. He was a media artist himself.

1:24.4

So that was the rock star David Bowie interviewed in Playboy in September 1976.

1:32.3

And, you know, the big question, what's going on there?

1:36.8

Did he really mean it?

1:38.2

Was he playing a part, perhaps, as he loved to do in the 1970s, the decade of Ziggy Stardust and Aladdin'sane.

1:46.2

And of course, the part he's playing here is the thin white Duke, who Bowie described as a very

1:51.8

aryan fascist type.

1:53.8

Or was he just completely off his head on Coke and Speed?

1:59.0

So many questions, Dominic. But whatever the explanation, the thing is that

2:03.1

he was saying quite a lot of things like that in 1975 and 1976. So here he is being interviewed by

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