662. If You’re Not Cheating, You’re Not Trying
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🗓️ 6 February 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | There are a lot of explanations going around for why our political moment feels more chaotic than many of us have ever experienced. |
| 0:11.8 | Let me offer up one more explanation. It has to do with rules. My belief is that many people, |
| 0:18.0 | in many different circumstances, have come to think that the rules we live by are stupid, |
| 0:23.4 | so stupid that the only sensible thing to do is break them. And if you get away with it, then you've got the confidence to just keep going. |
| 0:31.4 | And now you've got different people playing the game of life by totally different rules. How do we think that's going to work out? |
| 0:39.2 | All this got me thinking about one place where rules are still followed, for the most part, at least. |
| 0:45.0 | And that's what we're going to talk about today. |
| 0:49.0 | Can I take you on a really weird digression? |
| 0:52.0 | I would love a weird digression. |
| 0:53.4 | Okay, down a rabbit hole? |
| 0:54.5 | Sure. |
| 0:54.9 | Have you read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland? |
| 0:57.4 | Not in approximately 45 years, but yeah. |
| 1:01.1 | I read it when I was a sophomore in college. |
| 1:03.5 | I was one of those annoyingly good students who took notes in the margins, and I wrote all my papers on time. |
| 1:09.7 | Anyway, so my daughter was five or six. I picked up the book again, |
| 1:12.5 | and I started reading it to her. This is Louisa Thomas. She writes the sporting scene column |
| 1:18.5 | for the New Yorker magazine, and she happens to be married to a former NFL player. Okay, back to |
| 1:23.9 | Alice in Wonderland. I picked up the same copy I had had in college. |
| 1:28.1 | It was filled with these meticulous notes. |
| 1:31.0 | All the words were defined. |
| 1:32.3 | The logic puzzles were solved. |
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