66. The Great Betrayal: An American Traitor (Ep 1)

The Rest Is Classified

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4.6 • 732 Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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How did an alcoholic, drug-addicted hippie end up working for the CIA? How are CIA agents trained? And what is the real purpose of a lie detector test? Join David McCloskey and Gordon Corera as they discuss the life of Edward Lee Howard, the only CIA officer ever to defect to Moscow. ------------------- To sign up to The Declassified Club, go to⁠ ⁠www.therestisclassified.com⁠⁠. To sign up to the free newsletter, go to: ⁠https://mailchi.mp/goalhanger.com/tric-free-newsletter-sign-up ⁠ ------------------- Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ nordvpn.com/restisclassified It's risk-free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee ------------------- Order a signed edition of Gordon's latest book, The Spy in the Archive, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Order a signed edition of David's latest book, The Seventh Floor, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠via this link.⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ------------------- Email: [email protected] Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@triclassified⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Assistant Producer: Becki Hills Producer: Callum Hill Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:52.8	In the military command voice, he told me, sit down, face front, don't look at me, don't look to the side.
1:01.6	He sounded and acted like a drill instructor and he tried to intimidate me.
1:05.7	When he asked me if I'd taken drugs that day, I answered yes and told him about the prescribed
1:10.7	tranquilizer. He hit the roof because he knew, although I didn't drugs that day, I answered yes and told him about the prescribed tranquiliser.
1:11.6	He hit the roof because he knew, although I didn't at the time, that taking a mild tranquiliser
1:17.5	can usually enable a person who lies to beat the polygraph. The hammer questioned me again and
1:24.2	again about drug use and drinking. And on Friday, he gave me yet another polygraph test,
1:29.7	my fourth. Apparently, he was pleased with this last one. And he thanked me for coming,
1:34.8	smiled, and shook my hand as I left. Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I'm the non-drug-taking,
1:42.3	non-tranclosure taking Gordon Carrera. A likely story, Gordon. I'm David non-drug-taking, non-trancliser taking, Gordon Carrera.
1:45.2	A likely story, Gordon. I'm David McCloskey.
1:49.0	That was, I was reading, rather than telling you about my day, I was reading from the memoir.
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