Hello everyone. Welcome to today's episode of the Lesbian Subic Club podcast. You are joined by Scarlett today.

And I've got a pretty sensitive topic that I want to discuss that I think is where a lot of our listeners and followers of the podcast lie, but never really get as much maybe airtime or potentially feel a little bit

invalidated or unseen sometimes within the queer community. But before I jump into that,

I just want to talk briefly about, well, I suppose are we still calling it Lesotopia? Do we

call it that anymore? Is that a thing of the past?

Because I feel like it's still very much happening in the world of lesbians online.

But one topic I do just want to kind of cover off quickly is the recent...

How do we put this?

The recent unfolding of Jojo Siwa in the Big Brother House and her partner, or now ex-partner, Kath Ebb's,

and two sides of that experience. If you aren't familiar of this, just to give you a bit of

background context, Jojo Siwa has been, I think, online and in the media ever since she was basically

born. She was one of the characters of dance mums and then since the end of dance mums,

she continued to build a media career for herself, which has spanned from dancing, singing, performing on TikTok,

and basically, as far as JoJo Siwa goes, I'm pretty sure she has done pretty much everything

out there. She recently went into the Big Brother house in the UK and initially sparked outrage,

not because of her, but because there was a issue between her

and another housemate, Mickey Rourke, who said some really quite horrendous things to Jojo and made

some pretty horrendous statements about queerness and also just the dangers of misogyny in society, which I touched on previously.

Post that kind of whole debacle, Jojo formed a very close friendship with another housemate called Chris, and it's not really for me or anyone to depict

the displays of that friendship or how that friendship formed but it was a very close friendship

one where many people would feel that a lot of boundaries were crossed considering

Jojo very openly went into the Big Brother

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