659. Can Marty Makary Fix the F.D.A.?
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🗓️ 16 January 2026
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| 0:00.0 | When it comes to public health, the first year of the second Trump administration has been an unusually busy one and unusually controversial. |
| 0:13.1 | Most of this has run through Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the Secretary of Health and Human Services. |
| 0:18.0 | In just the past few weeks, Kennedy overhauled the government's recommendations |
| 0:22.0 | for childhood vaccines and revised the so-called food pyramid, promoting animal proteins, especially, |
| 0:28.8 | while downgrading ultra-processed foods, refined carbohydrates, and added sugars. Kennedy's policies |
| 0:35.3 | affect several agencies under his purview, including the Food and Drug |
| 0:39.2 | Administration. The FDA has had a busy year of its own, approving new treatments for several |
| 0:45.1 | rare diseases, including cancers, as well as for rheumatoid arthritis and HIV. The agency also |
| 0:51.9 | approved a non-opioid pain medicine, the first of its kind in many years. |
| 0:56.3 | The next few years may be even busier. The FDA today is not going to be an FDA in a receive-only |
| 1:04.9 | mode. We're not going to be stingy librarians. We're going to go into the pipeline, find out what sounds promising, and bring that to the |
| 1:13.2 | forefront. That is Marty McCarrie, Commissioner of the FDA. He has been on Freakonomics Radio a few |
| 1:19.7 | times in the past, and he made a brief appearance in last week's episode about brain supplements. |
| 1:25.3 | McCarrie was a longtime surgical oncologist and professor of surgery at |
| 1:29.5 | Johns Hopkins University. He's also done a lot of health policy research. He's published hundreds |
| 1:34.7 | of papers and three books that critiqued the American health care system. Running the FDA is |
| 1:41.2 | McCarrie's first job in government, and he knows it's a big one. |
| 1:45.6 | The FDA regulates 20% of the U.S. economy, and there are so many aspects to the FDA, |
| 1:52.7 | and there are so many things broken at the FDA. |
| 1:56.6 | I spoke with McCarrie in October, but our release of this episode was delayed by the government shutdown. |
| 2:02.6 | What's interesting is just how timely the conversation feels right now. |
| 2:06.4 | It's always good to get an insider's view from an institution like the FDA. |
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