658: Justice, Mercy, & Becoming Good News People with Derwin Gray
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
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🗓️ 26 February 2025
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Summary
Has Wheaton College, the flagship of evangelical higher ed, gone woke? Concerned parents and alumni have published a letter accusing the school of valuing diversity more than discipleship. Others have responded by defending Wheaton against the unfounded claims of the MAGA mob. What does the controversy reveal about the state of evangelicalism in the U.S.? A new piece by friend of the show, Karen Swallow Prior, explores the relationship between justice and mercy. Does emphasizing one value more than the other explain the rift in the American church? Derwin Gray is back to discuss his new book, “Lit Up With Love.” He explains how evangelism fits into the bigger narrative of the Bible, and how our reconciliation with God impacts our reconciliation with others. Also this week—North Dakota officially rejects the kingship of Jesus.
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0:00 - Show Starts
4:07 - Theme Song
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8:09 - Legal Resolution to Recognize Kingship of Jesus
12:56 - Wheaton Controversy, Russell Vought
18:42 - Wheaton, the Cultural Institution
31:03 - Justice and Mercy
37:05 - The Necessity of Wisdom
41:10 - What is Legalism?
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55:20 - Interview
56:28 - Lit Up With Love
1:00:03 - Appetizer for the New Creation
1:06:11 - Confrontational Evangelism
1:15:10 - The Risk of Loving the Church
1:25:52 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
North Dakota House Rejects “Kingship of Jesus” Resolution:
Mercy and Justice, False Dichotomy
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-faith/justice-mercy-virtues-christianity/
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Lit Up with Love: Becoming Good-News People to a Gospel-Starved World by Derwin Gray: https://a.co/d/aRcDAuB
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. Has Wheaton College, the flagship of evangelical higher ed, gone woke? |
| 0:06.0 | Concerned parents and alumni have published a letter accusing the school of valuing diversity more than discipleship. |
| 0:13.0 | Others have responded by defending Wheaton against unfounded claims of the MAGA mob. |
| 0:18.0 | What does the controversy reveal about the state of evangelicalism in the U.S.? |
| 0:23.2 | Then a new piece by our friend Karen Swallow Pryor explores the relationship between justice and |
| 0:28.3 | mercy? Does emphasizing one value more than the other explain the rift that we see in the American |
| 0:34.0 | Church? Then Derwin Gray is back to discuss his new book, Lit Up with Love. |
| 0:39.3 | He explains how evangelism fits into the bigger picture of the Bible and how our reconciliation |
| 0:44.3 | with God impacts our reconciliation with others. Also this week, North Dakota officially rejects |
| 0:50.9 | the kingship of Jesus. Two quick announcements before we get started. |
| 0:55.1 | First, my interview with Adam Kinzinger is now available for our Holy Post Plus subscribers |
| 0:59.8 | in our new series Why I'm Still a Christian. |
| 1:03.1 | This week is your last chance to sign up for the one-week free trial of Holy Post |
| 1:07.0 | Plus, so if you want to get that episode or know others who do, be sure to sign up for your |
| 1:11.8 | free trial before it's gone. And then second, we're coming to Philly. Our next Holy Post event will be in |
| 1:18.2 | Philadelphia on March 15th with Caitlin Chess and Shane Claiborne. Tickets are available now at |
| 1:23.9 | holypost.com slash events. All right, here is episode 658. Hey there, welcome back to the |
| 1:31.5 | Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Fisher. I'm here with Sky Jitani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. Sky is with me in lovely, |
| 1:38.8 | warm, sunny, wheat in Illinois, where the temperature is 50 at the moment. Yeah, it is kind of balmy. Yeah, we lost all of |
| 1:46.0 | our snow. We lost all of our snow that made Caitlin sick when she was here. Caitlin is also here. |
| 1:51.6 | I was glad it was there, though. Yeah, we were glad you were here too. You should come back. |
| 1:55.4 | And then you can bring more snow. Caitlin is in, what town are you in? |
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