It's time for episode 657 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay, recorded Wednesday, May 20th,

20206.

Clockwise, four people, that's more regular than seasonal allergies.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined across the internet.

Not today by Micah Sargent, who is on assignment.

But sitting in for him is podcast

co-host and app developer extraordinaire, the one and only Lex Friedman. Welcome back to the show,

Lex. Hi, Dan, happy to be here and happy to have authority over Maltz. We're getting there.

Because this is, of course, the show where we invite on two two fantastic guests to talk about four topics. To my left this week, it is producer and reporter at the Texas Standard, host of the Lions, Towers, Towers, and Shields podcast, author of iOS Access for All and contributor over at Sixtholors. It's Shelley Brisbane. Welcome back, Shelly. Hello, I'm not sure if Dan, that means you have authority over me.

Is that how that works? I mean, limited authority in that I control this podcast. It's my honor to

introduce a podcast host and Sixth Collarys contributor and my personal friend, John Maltz. Hi,

John. Lex, I'm always happy for you to have authority over me.

I really appreciate that, actually. I really need the help. Yeah, I was going to say, someone should.

Well, we've got 30 minutes. We got four tech topics. Let me kick things off with this one. I feel like I

use fewer apps on my iPhone than I used to. There are a few that I use regularly,

and then many, many, many I never use. I'm curious if there's an app you've given up,

either like you've abandoned it entirely or you've switched to using that in a different form,

like on the web, or you've even switched to doing something used to do on your phone,

analog. Is there something like that that sort of fills that slot for you?

Shelley, we'll start with you.

This was really difficult, one, for me, and I have to cheat a little bit because I've probably

use fewer apps on my phone, not because I've given up on a particular app, but just maybe

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