657: The Government, God, & Grift with Katherine Stewart
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 19 February 2025
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Since WWII, the United States has been actively engaged in foreign aid as part of its strategic foreign policy, and Christians of all theological and political views have broadly supported this effort. In the first month of the Trump administration, however, Christians on the far right have suddenly turned against international aid. What’s behind this change and are there parallels on the religious left? And what does it mean when MAGA Catholics are arguing directly with Pope Francis about immigrants, refugees, and the poor? Author and journalist, Katherine Stewart, has investigated the religious nationalist movement for 15 years. She says there’s a major disconnect between the super-rich funding the movement (many aren’t even Christians), and the average white evangelicals caught up in its conspiracy theories and events. She talks with Skye about her new book, “Money, Lies, and God.” Also this week—Phil looks at larvae and sees the face of God.
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0:00 - Show Starts
2:28 - Theme Song
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5:32 - News of the Termite-Faced Butts!
12:03 - Space Force Skye
19:20 - Is Humanitarian Aid Biblical?
24:32 - Romans 13
37:35 - Are Anti-Foreign Aid Arguments Consistent?
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53:44 - Interview
57:03 - Information Bubbles
1:03:33 - Is this All a Grift?
1:10:11 - The Inconsistencies of MAGA
1:20:17 - Red Caesar
1:25:52 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
World Relief Advocate:
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Termite-Face-Butts!
Pope Francis and American Catholics Clash:
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/pope-francis-jd-vance-immigration-tom-homan-rcna192291
Trump Demonizes Faith-Based Partners and Government Grants
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Money, Lies and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy by Katherine Stewart: https://a.co/d/b85D6UN
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. Since World War II, the United States has been actively engaged in foreign aid as part of its strategic foreign policy, |
| 0:08.4 | and Christians of all theological and political views have broadly supported this effort. But in the first month of the Trump administration, Christians on the far right have suddenly turned against international aid. |
| 0:19.5 | What's behind this change and are there parallels on the religious left? |
| 0:23.6 | And what does it mean when Maga Catholics are arguing directly with Pope Francis about immigrants, |
| 0:28.9 | refugees, and the poor? |
| 0:31.1 | Then author and journalist Catherine Stewart has investigated the religious nationalist |
| 0:35.5 | movement for 15 years. |
| 0:37.4 | She says there's a major |
| 0:38.5 | disconnect between the super rich who are funding the movement, many of whom aren't even Christians, |
| 0:43.3 | and the average white evangelical caught up in its conspiracy theories and events. She talks |
| 0:49.0 | with me about her new book, Money, Lies, and God. Also this week, Phil looks at larvae and sees the face of God. |
| 0:57.8 | A reminder that we've just launched season two of Why I'm Still a Christian exclusively for |
| 1:02.4 | Holy Post Plus subscribers. Last week, I interviewed Beth Moore, and this week features Phil's |
| 1:07.9 | conversation with Rachel Denhollander. The good news is that we're still offering a one-week free trial for new Holy Post Plus subscribers. |
| 1:15.9 | So you can sign up for free right now, check out why I'm still a Christian, |
| 1:20.0 | and see everything else that's available on Holy Post Plus at no risk. |
| 1:24.4 | I think you're going to love it. |
| 1:25.7 | Just go to holypost.com to learn more. Here is episode |
| 1:29.4 | 657. Hey there. Welcome back to the Holy Post podcast. I'm Phil Visher. I'm here with Sky Jatani. |
| 1:36.6 | Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. Just back from a cruise that I'm not supposed to ask him about, so I won't. |
| 1:41.2 | And Caitlin Chess, hi, Caitlin. Hi, Caitlin is in person in Wheaton. Big deal. It's a big deal. And she's infected. Infected. |
| 1:51.0 | She has, she's sick. Caitlin is sick, but she's still enjoying the snow. I'm a trooper though. |
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