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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

#654: The Fed Has Painted Itself Into a Corner with Michael Howell

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8764 Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Marty sits down with Michael Howell to discuss the Fed's predicament at Jackson Hole, global liquidity cycles, the structural shift toward collateral-dependent lending, and how mounting debt refinancing pressures alongside AI capital expenditures are creating conditions that favor monetary inflation hedges like Bitcoin and gold.

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0:00.0

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

0:10.0

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

0:16.0

So it's all acting like safe haven.

0:18.0

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

0:23.5

currency, Bitcoin wins.

0:25.3

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

0:29.2

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

0:31.8

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

0:36.3

Michael Howell, thank you for joining me again. Big day.

0:39.6

Yeah, big day today. Big day out in Jackson Hole.

0:43.3

Everybody's waiting with a baited breath to see what Jerome Powell is going to say.

0:48.7

I was watching. I couldn't sleep this morning. I woke up at 3.30 a.m.

0:53.3

And just decided to get up and start working and have been watching CNBC.

0:56.8

And it's been funny watching their commentary, a lot of back and forth.

1:00.2

I think considering that this meeting's happening today, we'll post this on Monday.

1:06.2

And so I guess the pressure is on to sort of predict what Jerome Powell is going to do.

1:11.2

How would you describe his current predicament and what he may or may not do later today?

1:18.6

Well, I think it's clearly a difficult situation.

1:21.5

You know, they always say as an old Irish joke that, well, they say to travelers,

1:26.7

how do you get from here to Dublin?

1:28.1

And the answer is, well, if I was going to Dublin, I wouldn't be starting from here.

1:32.3

And I think that, you know, that's pretty much what I would describe the Fed situation is.

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