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652. Inside the Horse-Industrial Complex

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🗓️ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

How does Kentucky keep itself atop the thoroughbred industry? Is a champion stallion really worth $200,000 per date? And how many hands can one jockey have? (Part two of a series, “The Horse Is Us.”)

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. Before today's episode, a quick announcement. On Thursday,

0:08.7

November 13th, I will be live on stage in New York City in conversation with the journalist

0:13.9

Bud Mishkin celebrating 20 years of Freakonomics and talking about what's next. We will be at the

0:19.6

92nd Street Y on the Upper East Side.

0:22.1

I hope you can make it. For tickets, go to Freakonomics.com slash live shows. And now here is today's

0:29.9

episode. May I give him a pat on the shoulder? Oh my gosh, I'm about to feed American Pharaoh a carrot, which is kind of highlighted my life so far.

0:42.3

That's Emily Plant. She is a lifelong horse lover who makes her living today as a thoroughbred researcher and statistician.

0:52.3

And American Pharaoh, he is one of the most famous

0:56.2

and most sought-after horses in the world. His fame comes from winning the 2015 Triple Crown. That's

1:02.7

the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Stakes, and the Belmont Stakes. He was the first horse to win the

1:07.7

Triple Crown in nearly four decades. It was a huge deal for the industry because people said, oh, maybe it can't be done anymore.

1:16.3

Maybe it's too hard. Maybe the modern thoroughbred can't handle this. And then he won.

1:23.8

And he is sought after because in horse racing, bloodline is extremely important.

1:29.2

If you own a mayor that is deemed worthy of American Pharaoh, he will be happy to mate with her for a stud fee of $45,000.

1:37.8

Back when he first retired from racing at three years old, his fee was $200,000.

1:43.4

He is owned by a firm called Ashford Stud, which paid a reported $23 million for him in 2015.

1:50.5

Ashford is a 2,000-acre farm in Kentucky bluegrass country, and that's where we are today.

1:55.7

This is the American outpost of Coolmore Stud, the biggest thoroughbred breeder in the world with headquarters in

2:01.8

Ireland. This Kentucky location is sometimes called Coolmore America. Emily Plant calls it

2:07.6

equine paradise. If you look at the barns, there's works of art in terms of the limestone

2:16.2

craftsmanship, the roof, the cupola.

2:20.3

There are 15 champion stallions in residence in these barns.

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