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The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan

651: From 7 Years In Recruitment To $60K In 6 Months Selling Mouth Tape

The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan

Nathan Chan

Entrepreneurship, Business, Marketing

4.9664 Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Michael Forshaw read a book, taped his mouth shut every night for a year, and then built a business out of it — launching Breath Sleep Tape from idea to live store in just ten weeks. A recruiter by trade with zero experience in e-commerce, digital marketing, or product development, Michael turned a personal obsession with nasal breathing into a brand that hit $60,000 in its first six months. The product? A sleep tape designed to keep your mouth closed at night — something that sounds strange until you realise an estimated 70% of people breathe through their mouths while they sleep. In this episode, Michael gets real about what it took to get there — an $8-10K first production run, the customer objection that completely changed his product design, and why two years in he deliberately pulled back on paid ads to focus on something more sustainable. What you'll learn in this interview: How reading a single book sparked a product idea — and the one-year personal experiment that confirmed it was worth building Why launching in ten weeks is possible, and what actually has to happen to pull it off The customer objection during validation that led to a physical product change — and the lesson it holds for every early-stage founder How to source and test manufacturers on Alibaba, what red flags to look for, and why Michael stuck with the supplier that had the best communication The real cost of getting started: an $8-10K first run, 50% upfront, and what you get for it Why Google Ads outperformed Meta for a niche health product — and what that says about intent-driven buying How bundles, combo deals, and a free intro pack helped lift average order value on a naturally low-ticket item The honest reflection on paid ads: why chasing top-line revenue made the business harder, not better What two years of building taught Michael about skills, confidence, and why personal growth might be the biggest ROI of starting a brand Why the number you're chasing at the start is probably focused on the wrong thing If you're early in your journey — or still sitting on an idea — this episode will change how you think about what a successful launch actually looks like, and why starting small and staying close to your customer beats scaling fast every time. SAVE 50% ON OMNISEND FOR 3 MONTHS Get 50% off your first 3 months of email and SMS marketing with Omnisend with the code FOUNDR50. Just head to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://your.omnisend.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get started. WANT TO GROW YOUR BRAND WITH META ADS? Join the Foundr Operators Waitlist → ⁠⁠⁠https://foundr.com/operators⁠⁠⁠ HOW WE CAN HELP YOU SCALE YOUR BUSINESS FASTER Learn directly from 7, 8 & 9-figure founders inside Foundr+ Start your $1 trial → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com/startdollartrial⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ PREFER A CUSTOM ROADMAP AND 1-ON-1 COACHING? → Starting from scratch? Apply here → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foundr.com/pages/coaching-start-application⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ → Already have a store? Apply here → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foundr.com/pages/coaching-growth-application⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ CONNECT WITH MICHAEL FORSHAW LinkedIn → ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-forshaw-3b5884126/ Website → https://breathsleeptape.com/ FOLLOW FOUNDR FOR MORE BUSINESS GROWTH STRATEGIES YouTube → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/2uyvzdt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/foundr/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/foundr/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com/podcast⁠

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0:00.0

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0:39.3

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0:45.0

All right. Now let's jump back into the show.

0:51.5

Welcome to Little Empires, brought to you by the team at Founder.

0:55.0

At Founder, our mission is to support the next generation of e-com founders, so while you may know us for interviewing some of the world's most successful entrepreneurs, this series is a little different.

1:05.0

Little Empires shines a spotlight on the builders inside our own founder community, the entrepreneurs who are in the trenches

1:12.2

taking action, learning and building their businesses in real time. These aren't overnight

1:17.3

success stories. These are real journeys, real lessons and real founders creating their own

1:22.2

little empires one step at a time. This podcast is proudly produced by the founder team to give our students

1:28.7

a platform to share their experiences, wins, challenges and honest realities of building a business

1:35.3

from the ground up. Now, let's dive into today's episode. Here we are. Welcome to the founder

1:41.8

Little Empires podcast. We are here today with Michael Farshaw.

1:46.4

His brand is Breath Sleep Tape.

1:48.9

Michael launched his brand in only 10 weeks, and he made $60,000 in the first six months.

1:56.2

So Michael, it is great to have you here on The Little Empires podcast. How you going?

2:02.2

Good. Thanks, Leah. Great to be here and hopefully I can help fellow members or people who are

2:06.9

interested in building a business. Yeah, of course. Hopefully inspire some members of our community

2:11.6

to grow their brand like you have yours. So I want to start off by going to basically where it all began and let's look back to what your life was like perhaps before you even launched the brand. Tell us a bit about where you were at and what inspired you to launching an e-commerce business.

2:29.4

So I was working in recruitment, the recruitment company, been doing after about six or seven years, feeling in a little bit,

2:36.3

probably burnt out, a little bit bored, needed to do something different.

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