You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Carlos and Ali, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having us.

This is, I'm happy to be speaking with you guys because it's a budding theme on this show,

a very small theme, but a budding one.

And one that excites me because I think it's a signal that Bitcoin is breaking out of the bubbles, the community

bubbles that have existed in my 12 years following.

It seems that what you guys are doing, a forger really validates Bitcoin being used as a tool

by anybody, not just cipherpks or people that care about sound money,

but what you guys are doing to Forger in the world of entertainment.

And Carlos, we were just talking before we hit record that you heard my discussion with Johnny Vance

from Total Twins in Angel Studio and reached out.

And as I was also telling you, I have a friend, a very, very close friend.

And we've been talking about this idea quite a bit, the intersection of Bitcoin in entertainment,

an attempt to get better art into the world and let smaller artists, content creators, whatever you want to define them as

get their work into the world and actually give them a chance to

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