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Patreon at patreon dot com slash retronauts and I'll let you get to this free preview of one of our exclusive episodes. Let's go to the history of the movie though because it all starts with Tim Burton

You're all nerds who listen to Retronauts. I don't really need to tell you

Tim Burton was if you've been alive he's been a presence in your life.

So yeah, he's a Cal Arts graduate.

He started at Disney in the early 80s.

He was catapulted to fame when Paul Rubin selected him to direct Pee Wee's big adventure at Disney

they really couldn't find a good use for him because the kind of art he created wasn't

really adaptable to the Disney style because he was more of a conceptual

artist on their films. He worked on things like the Black Cauldron and the Fox and

the Hound and Tron. So they threw him onto things that could develop his skills and perhaps serve as short subjects for the re-releases of their older movies.

He made a stop motion short called Vincent, which is very fun, which is like, you can see his style immediately is there in that short and that would develop

into things like the Nightmare Before Christmas and Corpse Bride. And then Frank and Weenie, which was a 30 minute

short that Disney hated and they kind of fired him based on the tone of that but then as soon as he became famous they put it out on video and it's like from the director of Batman it's Frank and Weenie and then that eventually became a full length stop motion feature.

So Disney was a big backer of Burton and he'll go back to Disney every once in a while to work with

them. He just did a dumbo remake that can't be good but he never burned bridges with that company. I see Diamond just you're just shaking your head there upon the mention of the

deboe. I feel like it's in the way he became full circle, like he had a whole thing going for a good decade or two where it's like the Tim Burton experience and then somehow that became folded into like corporate speakers like, oh, now it's a Tim Burton copyright experience, you know, it's an old movie, but Tim Burton's doing it, you know, and there's a, God, there's got to be like a 15-year-old video online. I think it's college humor of like what

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